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Noreen Gosch Speaks
About - Jeff Gannon,
Johnny Gosch And
The Attempted Theft Of
Her Book 'Why Johnny
Can't Come Home'
By Charlene Fassa
8-18-5
As most of you already know, Noreen Gosch is the mother of Johnny Gosch.
When Johnny Gosch was 12 years of age and working as a paperboy for the Des
Moines Register newspaper, he was kidnapped not far from his home. It was a
quiet Sunday morning, around 6A.M. on September 5, 1982, when Johnny had
left his home on foot to collect his assigned stack of newspapers to deliver
around his quintessential "Leave It To Beaver" neighborhood. Just as he was
about to pick up his bundle of newspapers, he was forcefully nabbed off the
street, shoved into the back seat of a strange car, drugged, and permanently
removed from his family. Johnny's childhood would be destroyed while his
family was shattered and consigned to a life of endless grieving.
Years later, on February 5, 1999, in a civil action in a U.S. District Court
in Lincoln, Nebraska, Paul Bonacci painstakingly recounted the sordid, heart
breaking details of Johnny Gosch's abduction and forced participation in an
elite government sponsored pedophile sex slave ring, that dehumanized and
controlled its young, hapless victims using techniques such as drugs,
murder, satanic rituals, sexual abuse, and torture, resulting in MPD
(multiple-personality disorder). The children were systemically programmed
and "zombified" as part of the CIA's ongoing, under-the-radar MK-ULTRA (MK =
mind control) mind control program.
Bonacci's attorney was John DeCamp, who later authored a revealing and
ground breaking book called The Franklin Cover-Up, which is a
no-holds-barred expose of the pedophile ring that had abducted both Johnny
Gosch and Paul Bonacci. Paul Bonacci knew what he was talking about
regarding Johnny Gosch's kidnapping in 1982. Why? Because he was there!
Bonacci's role within the pedophile ring was simultaneously that of a victim
and a perpetrator. Actually, the then 16 year old Paul Bonacci was the
person who had lured and then forced Johnny into the back of the car that
screeched away on that fateful September morning. It was Bonacci who had
helped drug Johnny, and then proceeded to initiate him into the group, his
new "family", by sexually assaulting him.
Bonacci himself had been abducted and pressed into service as an MK-ULTRA
sex slave by Lawrence E. King, a high ranking Republican operative who
managed Franklin Savings and Loan in Omaha, Nebraska as a front for an
internationally organized pedophile ring. He ran this pedophile ring for the
benefit of government, military, and big business elites, whose patronage
included political blackmail, snuff films, kiddy pornography, prostitution,
illegal arms and drug running, extortion, and money laundering. This was the
same Larry King who allegedly ran the infamous midnight "call-boy" tours of
the White House, along with Craig Spence. Amazingly, the White House
pedophile story was headlined by the Washington Times, on June 29, 1989.
This brings us full circle back to Noreen Gosch. She has been an
indefatigable seeker of the truth in all things related to her son's
kidnapping. It was Noreen's personally funded private detectives, not the
police or any branch of law enforcement, who finally uncovered the culprits
who were behind Johnny's kidnapping, including why they had chosen him, for
what purpose, and what they had done to him as a result.
Noreen has been instrumental in exposing organized pedophilia, its
infrastructure and some of the personalities behind it, as well as helping
to expose the pedophile network's interlocking relationships with elite
hierarchies of political, military, and corporate power.
For the past 23 years, Noreen has dedicated her life to educating parents,
politicians, police, teachers, children and anyone who would listen to the
sordid facts behind child abductions in America, including the hidden menace
of organized pedophile rings.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?
"In each of the past 22 years, every president of the United States has
continued to proclaim May 25th as National Missing Children's Day."
NOTE: "... each year on May 25th ... National Missing Children's Day... they
always have a theme. In 1994, they used the theme of " turn your porch light
on for missing children". The National Center for Missing Children chose
that in honor of Johnny, because our family kept our porch light on from the
first night he was missing and for the next 15 years. It was quite an honor
to have him chosen but also sad that any parent would have to do so."
--Noreen Gosch
Here are the most up to date studies on missing children from the National
Center for Missing and Exploited Children:
"To date, two such studies have been completed. The first National Incidence
Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children (NISMART-1),
was released in 1990, and the second, known as NISMART-2, was released in
October 2002. According to NISMART-2 research, which studied the year 1999,
an estimated 797,500 children were reported missing; 58,200 children were
abducted by nonfamily {sic} members; 115 children were the victims of the
most serious, long-term non-family abductions called "stereotypical
kidnappings"; and 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions."
(http://www.missingkids.com)
When you crunch the numbers behind the statistics for children abducted by
non-family members, a disturbing picture emerges.
When you divide 58,200 by 365 days of the year, you get 159.45 children who
go missing every day!
Remember, these are only children that were abducted by non-family members
and only in the USA.
That's about a 1,119 children disappearing each week. And that's data from
1999!
After considering the above statistics and the tragedy it represents for
humanity, it's easy to understand why Noreen established the Johnny Gosch
Foundation shortly after Johnny's kidnapping in 1982.
But that's not all. In the1980's, she pioneered both state and federal
legislation that ensures the rights of kidnapped children and their
families. You can visit the Johnny Gosch Foundation website to learn more
about the foundation's mission and its many notable achievements:
http://www.johnnygosch.com. You can also preview Noreen's informative and
gripping book about the kidnapping of her son: Why Johnny Can't Come Home.
Unbelievibly, now Noreen is threatened with another loss, as if the 1982
brutal kidnapping of her son Johnny wasn't enough. A scoundrel is using the
courts to paint Noreen into a legal and financial corner in order to to
steal HER remaining book inventory and the reprint rights to HER book. This
is unconscionable. Noreen's book, Why Johnny Can't Come Home, represents a
huge part of her life story, and, frankly, it's practically all she tangibly
has left of her son.
And that brings us to the Jeff Gannon conundrum. In addition to the
potentially devestating legal battle over her book, Noreen is still trying
to determine if Jeff Gannon is indeed her son Johnny Gosch. Those who say
there's not enough credible evidence to demand a DNA test, which would
finally resolve this issue, are simply WRONG! For example, Jim Rothstein, a
retired NYC Detective, who spent 35 years on the force, much of it
investigating child slavery and pedophile rings, asserts that the evidence
is strong that Gannon is actually Johnny Gosch. "To me Gannon looks like
Johnny," Rothstein opines-- "Everything just fits - the profile, the M.O.,
everything, "
Then there's Ted Gunderson, a retired FBI agent who has worked on the
Johnny Gosch case for over a decade. On Gunderson's website his bio reads,
*Prior to retirement in 1979, Ted Gunderson had over 700 persons under his
command and operated a $22 million annual budget." His complete resume is
here: http://www.tedgunderson.com. Gunderson says he has a credible source
that is certain Jeff Gannon is Johnny Gosch. "My source has told me in the
past that he has maintained contact with Johnny Gosch," Gunderson reveals,
"Let's just say he's in a position to know." "The kids are all in touch with
each other. It's a bond they all share." Gunderson concludes with, "The only
way I'd be 100 percent sure is if there was a DNA test or if he admitted
it."
Noreen confirms, "Ted sent me a videotape of his interview with his source
and he {source} said Gannon is Gosch, and he said it without hesitation and
without blinking an eye, and he said he's known it for months." Noreen
"believes the man is credible." Gunderson makes it clear that Bonacci is not
his informant, but is quick to add that Bonacci "informed him a while back
that Gosch had changed his appearance."
In fact, there's even corroboration from John DeCamp, who weighs in with,
"Bonacci told me the same thing {that Jeff Gannon is Johnny Gosch}." And
this bombshell from Noreen: "...the birthmark on Johnny's chest is very
similar to a mark seen on Gannon's chest in at
least one photo. Gannon has a spot on his right cheek in the same place as
Johnny." The Rothstein, Gunderson, and Gosch (Noreen) quotes are from an
article by Tim Schmitt, "Johnny Gosch, Jeff Gannon, Hunter Thompson and the
Unraveling of a Troubling Tale"
(http://educate-yourself.org/cn/goschgannohuntertrublingtale05apr05.shtml)
The bottom line is this: There is enough "credible" evidence linking Jeff
Gannon and
Johnny Gosch for Noreen and her private investigators to insist on
a DNA test. The "credible" evidence phase of the case has passed. It's
now a case of obtaining "conclusive" evidence. To her credit, Noreen has
ALWAYS maintained that she didn't KNOW beyond a shadow of doubt if Gannon
was or
wasn't her son, Johnny. But she'd like to know, and I believe she
deserves to know, whichever way it turns out.
PRESS RELEASE
On July 23rd, 2005 Michael Corbin, talk show radio host of A Closer Look @
www.4acloserlook.com issued the following press release:
"Jeff Gannon/James Dale Guckert is he also Johnny Gosch? Gannon/Guckert
Offers to Take DNA Test to Prove he is not the missing paper boy Johnny
Gosch who was snatched from the his paper route. "... Chameleon like Jeff
Gannon also known as James Dale Guckert, the former gay model known as
Bulldog, who obtained White House press credentials and held them for two
years is the middle of yet another controversy. Could the mysterious Jeff
Gannon who popped up from nowhere in 2003 with unfettered White House access
be the missing paperboy Johnny Gosch?"
(...)
"This controversy led to the White House then and possibly now through this
bizarre allegation that Jeff Gannon may be the kidnapped Johnny Gosch.
Gannon's name has also come up in connection with the ongoing investigation
in the Valerie Plame-Karl Rove CIA leak. Indeed Gannon's background is a
mystery. While Gannon claims he has many witnesses as to his background, he
does not seem to be able to produce a biological mother and father. Gannon
has denied on the Denver based radio talk show, A Closer Look, hosted by
Michael Corbin, that he is Johnny Gosch and has offered to Noreen Gosch, the
mother of the missing boy, to take a DNA test." "Developments will follow."
(...)
For more background information and details about Jeff Gannon and Johnny
Gosch visit the: Gannon/White House Sex Scandal archive at www.Rense.com:
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/ganndat.htm
INTERVIEW WITH NOREEN GOSCH
CHARLENE: Isn't this the first time Jeff Gannon has publicly stated that
he's not Johnny Gosch? Why now?
NOREEN: I think Gannon needs to continue the publicity and is now coming
forward on the DNA only too keep somewhat of a spotlight on himself.
CHARLENE: Even though you've always publicly maintained that you didn't know
if Jeff Gannon was Johnny Gosch, Gannon has threatened to sue you on three
different occasions. Why? What types of contact have you had with Jeff
Gannon?
NOREEN: I have had only email communication with Gannon. He threatened to
sue me because I have stated " I do not know if Gannon is or is not Johnny".
He claims that is throwing doubt in the minds of people who would otherwise
say he is not Johnny. I would think he would want the DNA test and if he is
not Johnny ... then state it publicly and be done with it.
CHARLENE: I understand there are some unique physical characteristics that
Jeff Gannon and Johnny Gosch share. What are they?
NOREEN: There are many facial features and the basic structure of his face
which are similar to Johnny. The color of his eyes and reports of a
birthmark on Gannon is the same as Johnny's. I have not seen the birthmark
however.
CHARLENE: For many internet researchers and bloggers, there appear to be
numerous reasons to suspect that Jeff Gannon and Johnny Gosch are the same
person. For starters, the name Jeff Gannon, seems be related to Johnny Gosh
in a twisted sort of way. Would you explain the "name game" and how it
relates to other "players" and Johnny?
NOREEN: It appears in all of the alias names Gannon has used that he kept
the same initials as Johnny... JDG. Gannon also chose the last name of the
Des Moines Register Editor at the time Johnny was kidnapped. There just
seems to be a replay constantly of Johnny's initials or clues to link Gannon
to parts of Johnny's life.
CHARLENE: Besides the physical attributes and JDG initials pattern, what
other linkages/revelations between Gannon and Johnny have compelled you and
your team to propose a DNA test be administered to Gannon in order to
acheive closure on the Gannon/Gosch issue?
NOREEN: There have been two informants who have stated Gannon and Johnny are
one in the same person. For me, the only way that could possibly be resolved
is a DNA test. That is the reason my investigative team have asked for a DNA
test.
CHARLENE: I understand you've verified that Johnny had plastic surgery about
4 years ago, and coincidentally he also started shaving his head around the
same time.
NOREEN: Yes, long before Gannon surfaced, I had learned that Johnny had
plastic surgery and begun to shave his head. So when Gannon did come on the
scene... it was one more thing to consider.
CHARLENE: Not long ago, on an internet radio interview, I heard Rusty
Nelson, Larry King's ex-private, pedophile-ring photographer speaking about,
among other things, Jeff Gannon and Johnny Gosch. Unfortunately, Rusty
Nelson's story is beyond the scope of this interview. Suffice it to say, in
order to survive and out of sheer desperation, Rusty managed to escape from
Larry King's clutches and is currently on the lam. Naturally, having been
King's private photographer, Nelson knew Johnny. During the interview Nelson
offered his opinion as to whether or not he thought Johnny Gosch was Jeff
Gannon. To paraphrase, he volunteered that he felt close to certain that
they were one and the same person. He followed up with an anecdotal story
about having serendipitously bumped into Johnny Gosch, several years ago at
a Farmer's Market--I can't recall where. It seems to me that Rusty Nelson is
qualified to speculate on this matter. Were you aware of his conjecture?
Have you been in contact with Rusty Nelson?
NOREEN: I have been in contact with Rusty and have known him for years. He
has shared a great deal of information with us and testified in federal
court in 1999 as to all of these events. He told me nearly 4 years ago that
he had seen Johnny at the Farmer's Market in a particular city.
CHARLENE: As of late you've been in contact with the Franklin kids. These
are the children from the Des Moines and Omaha area who were also abducted
and MK-ULTRAED into Larry King's international, elite controlled, pedophile
ring around the same time Johnny was. Some of these survivors are no doubt
members of the original 83 children who came forward to testify about their
horrific abuse in the Franklin Case. Of course, like Johnny these "children"
are now approaching 40 years of age, but they are most likely
developmentally arrested, to greater or lesser degrees, "emotionally frozen"
at the age they were abducted and ritually traumatized. Can you share with
us what these survivors, the victims of King's pedophile ring are telling
you of their horrific ordeal and their feelings about the future?
NOREEN: I have been in touch with a number of the Franklin kids, many have
shared information with me. They continue communication to this day. For a
number of them, their lives have been broken as children who were victims of
these crimes. It is true they are now all approaching 40 years of age. Many
are "fed up... angry" about what happened to them and how their lives have
been robbed. Some want to do something about it and others are still very
afraid for themselves and their loved ones.
CHARLENE: I believe that you once said some of these survivors feel like
they have been programmed to do something in the future, but they don't know
what it is. It sounds like a group of "sleeper" Manchurian Candidate cells
that could be activated at any time for evil purposes--no doubt. Could you
explain?
NOREEN: It is a form of Manchurian Candidate....many feel these kids are
programmed to be accessed/triggered for some future use or project.
CHARLENE: Many of these kids knew Johnny. Do some of the Franklin kids
you've been in contact with believe Jeff Gannon is Johnny Gosch?
NOREEN: The majority of the Franklin kids I have been in contact with do
believe Jeff Gannon is Johnny. Some say they have been in communication with
him on a fairly regular basis. I would suspect this is done by email on
computer rather than face to face meetings.
CHARLENE: On the Johnny Gosch Foundation website: www.johnnygosch.com --you
describe Johnny as "Chameleon" like. Others have also characterized him as
"Chameleon" like, including some of the surviving Franklin kids. Is it true
that Jeff Gannon also described himself as "Chameleon" like?
NOREEN: Throughout this investigation, I have been trained as a Private
Investigator... I listen for these "plays on words". The reference to Johnny
being a Chameleon was given to me by seven of the Franklin kids I have
known. I asked them why he was considered a "Chameleon". They all told me it
was because Johnny was a "master of disguise". Gannon then began referring
to himself as "the Chameleon". I find that to be significant... Could it be
a coincidence...." co-incident" or was it given by Gannon as some kind of
clue. Gannon has also stated he has "hidden in plain sight". Interesting
idea.
CHARLENE: And then there's that pesky DNA test Gannon's been dodging...
until now--maybe? It seems Gannon has a pattern of agreeing to submit to a
DNA test, only later to refuse-- for one reason or another. Also, most
people probably aren't aware that Gannon has repeatedly stipulated various
conditions that need to be met by your team as part of his agreeing to a DNA
test. Can you summarize the history of DNA negotiations with Gannon up to
and including the current agreement?
NOREEN: In March 2005, shortly after this story broke about Gannon. I wrote
to him by email (3 times) to ask him to "quietly agree to a DNA test" to
resolve this situation. Gannon did not answer my emails. We then sent a
gentleman representing me to Gannon's home to talk with him. Gannon answered
the door, when the man asked him about a DNA and told he was there on behalf
of the "woman in Iowa". Gannon slammed the door on the man.
We later were on a network TV show in which Gannon said he would take a DNA
test. Only to later develop all kinds of stipulations:
1. That the results should be kept private (no problem there).
2. That I would be required to make a public statement saying he was not my
son and sign documents agreeing not to ever mention his name in public.
3. That Gannon would publicly make some declarations of
"spiritual support" for me.
4. Finally, that Gannon go forward to be a "national speaker for Missing
Children."
Some of these conditions were absurd.
To date... Gannon agreed to do the DNA on Michael Corbin's show then has
stalled once again. The DNA test is now in limbo for a while.
CHARLENE: Did Gannon ever ask to be paid for taking a DNA test?
NOREEN: Yes at one time he stated he wanted to be paid big bucks for his
"DNA SAMPLE". I rejected that idea but offered to pay for the actual test.
CHARLENE: As I recall, your longtime private investigator, Mr. Rothstein,
who is a retired NYC Detective, is in charge of DNA negotiations/ logistics
with Jeff Gannon. If Gannon actually follows through and submits to a DNA
test, I'm sure Rothstein will ensure every step of the procedure is
carefully monitored. Call me paranoid, but I would be suspicious of the
results-- if there were any unsupervised gaps (breaks in the chain of
evidence) between the blood being drawn and the DNA analysis. Even if the
lab is reputable, elite sociopaths (people behind Gannon?) with unlimited
power and money to burn always seem to find ways to derail these well
intentioned, truth seeking investigations. I'm sure Mr. Rothstein is twenty
steps ahead of me on this-- and has a plan in place to control as many
variables as humanly possible so that Gannon's DNA test results will be bona
fide. Can you comment?
NOREEN: Jim Rothstein has arranged for a reliable lab to do the DNA test. We
have advised Gannon of this... He has refused to give us the name of his
attorney so we can communicate with him to make arrangements.
CHARLENE: It seem obvious that Gannon is playing mind games with you
regarding his willingness or lack there of to take a DNA test! And as you've
astutely surmised, this on again off again DNA test scenario is free
publicity for him. And I'm sure Gannon is more than capable of making good
use of publicity, even if it's negative. On the other hand, if he is Johnny
Gosch, taking a DNA test could undoubtedly put him in harms way. Then again,
this DNA volleyball could be part of an overall cynical strategy by Gannon
and his handlers to keep the "Gannon is Gosch" story alive, but essentially
take the energy out of it. The story continues, it limps along, but in a
vapid state of limbo. This way the character arc, the tension, the climax of
the story can been shifted to fit an agenda. Maybe this game is a backdoor
approach for Gannon to gain control of the "Is Gannon really Gosch"
speculation frenzy. He knows the DNA ball will forever be in his court. If
Gannon can keep the story focused at the level of a DNA test that's never
resolved, and if he can keep the public's ATTENTION focused on forensics --
he's in control. And while he does his DNA dance, he can also threaten legal
action against anyone who publicly wonders about the is "Gannon really
Gosch" riddle -- it's a CHECKMATE of sorts.
CHARLENE: A local media outlet in your region about a month ago ran a piece
on their internet site announcing that there had been a significant
"breakthrough" in the Johnny Gosch case. I think they described it as:
"Johnny Gosch case heating-up." Yet they never mentioned exactly what the
breakthrough was! Or I just plain missed it. However, they did mention
something about the CIA and their alleged involvement in organized
pedophilia. What happened to the CIA agent who had contacted you in order to
help you crack the Johnny Gosch case years ago, and who was instrumental in
your testifying before a Congressional Committee? What was the
"breakthrough" in Johnny's case?
NOREEN: The CIA agent who has resurfaced recently has brought information to
Jim Rothstein which is significant at this time. Jim shared a portion of it,
which the Waterloo, Iowa TV station reported on. It was then circulated
throughout the internet. He informed us that originally 1700 children were
targeted for this project... they (pedophile ring) set about kidnapping
children throughout the country over a period of years. The number of
"usable children" they ended up with was approximately 1,000. I filed a FIOA
request and received a reply saying "All records on Johnny's case with the
CIA have vanished."
CHARLENE: After all these years, a fearful eye-witness finally came forward
and detailed what really had happened to Johnny Gosch on the day he was
kidnapped. He illuminated a crucial, hidden aspect of Johnny's abduction. He
knew Johnny wasn't a runaway, he had watched Johnny's abduction unfold from
a window in the safety of his home. What's the significance of this new
revelation after all these years? Could this new eye-witness report
officially reopen the Johnny Gosch case?
NOREEN: We learned 22 years later that the only eye-witness to the
kidnapping was forced to change his story years ago by the police chief. He
saw a man shoot Johnny with a stun gun, saw him fall, then be thrown into
the back seat of a waiting car. The witness instead stated he only heard the
slamming of a car door. By the changing of the story 22 years later, it
allowed the Police chief, Orval Cooney deniability and then call Johnny a
"runaway child" instead of "kidnapped child". We also later learned the same
police chief had been attending the sex parties in Omaha Nebraska with the
Franklin kids, so it is no mystery why he was trying to "bury the Johnny
Gosch story/case". The police say the case remains open to this day...but
when I approached them with this information... they say " we are not going
to try and reinvent the wheel". A cute way of sidestepping the issue. We are
discussing possibilities of legal recourse but have not made a decision as
yet.
CHARLENE: There's been some disturbing incidents and strange, synchronistic
events involving you and others, who were or are connected to the Johnny
Gosch case. Recently, there was your yearly Johnny Gosch "update" interview
with a local radio host, a seasoned, nine year veteran, who was subsequently
fired. Not long after the update interview, a strange doll was delivered to
your door. And then, about two days later, you heard some distressing news
on the radio about a man who had revealed to you important information about
your local Police Chief and Johnny's kidnapping. Comments?
NOREEN: Marty Stacey, an Omaha radio talk show host, did an interview with
me and Jim Rothstein. During the interview, we shared the information in the
question/answer above regarding the police chief being involved in this
scandal. The following day Marty was called in by his boss and fired... the
reason given was the "Gosch/Rothstein interview". The following morning
someone placed an "anatomically correct, blow up, nude sex doll with dark
hair and a hole blown in the head at the door of my home". No one saw it
being placed there. The police were called and I made a police report on the
situation. We consider this to be a "veiled" threat towards me regarding the
information that I gave during the interview.
CHARLENE: How many and what types of other threats and or harassment have
you experienced prior to the doll incident?
NOREEN: Over the years I have been followed, received threatening phone
calls, had men come to my home and pound on the outside of my house, throw
rocks at my home. My cars have been damaged. It has been a very nerve
wracking situation and one has to wonder, why would anyone harass the mother
of a missing child ..... just for looking for her child? It is because there
is much more to this crime and they are afraid I will uncover it and make it
ALL PUBLIC.
CHARLENE: Is there an official/unofficial body-count related to the
Franklin/Johnny Gosch case?
NOREEN: The official body count for deaths in the Franklin/Johnny case is
now up to 15 deaths of witnesses and people who have come forward with
information.
CHARLENE: From what you and your investigators have discovered, what have
you determined about how organized pedophile rings function? For example, is
it true that these rings hire professional photographers to surreptitiously
photograph children, and then compile these photos into catalogues so
"clients" can choose their preferred victims?
NOREEN: In August 1984, I testified at a Senate Hearing in Washington DC. It
was an Organized Crime hearing regarding Missing Children. During the
various testimony by myself and others, Ken Lanning of the FBI, also
testified. The FBI also provided a catalog of materials confiscated by them
during the arrest of pedophiles. There were instruction books on molesting
children, torture devices and a catalog of children who had not yet been
kidnapped. A prospective "BUYERS GUIDE".
CHARLENE: On a more personal note, I worked at a Rape Crisis Center, in the
early 90's as a psychotherapist, as an advocate for sexual abuse victims, as
well as directing and coordinating a Children's SafeHouse. The SafeHouse was
a specially prepared room in the center where we forensically interviewed
sexually abused children in order to provide evidence to hopefully prosecute
perpetrators directly or use the evidence to extract confessions and then
prosecute. Sadly, there was an appalling number of sexually abused children
who were routinely referred to the center, for therapy and Safe-House
interviews. And guess what? ORGANIZED PEDOPHILE RINGS WERE NEVER
MENTIONED--EVER! All the standard, official literature about pedophilia was
contained to sick individuals acting alone. I seriously doubt if that has
changed. The Johnny Gosch case and others like it were NEVER mentioned. And
we at the center were considered to be among cutting edge sexual abuse
specialists, educators and therapists. Rape Crisis centers and police
departments around the country should be buying box loads of your books. Are
they?
NOREEN: What we uncovered 22 years ago was that many pedophile rings are
operative in this country. No one wanted to hear this information at that
time. Now we hear it in the form of "human trafficking". We have a task
force created in Washington DC working on this very degree of "high crime".
My book is helpful for people, as this outlines from the beginning how
Johnny's kidnapping transpired and it will help others protect their
children.
CHARLENE: Why do you think so few American's know the truth about the Johnny
Gosch case? Why do you think organized pedophilia operates under-the-radar,
while depraved, lone nutters or sick relatives who commit single or serial
acts of pedophilia are splashed all over the mainstream tabloids and
newspapers?
NOREEN: It may appear that many people do not know about Johnny's case but
there has been visitors from all over the world to my
website.... www.johnnygosch.com. Some of the countries were France, England,
Japan, China, Russia, Argentina, Greece, Italy, not to mention all over the
United States. It is not in the main stream media now because it is not a
"new case". During the early years there was a lot of press coverage, but
older cases have to move over to make room for the new ones.
CHARLENE: Do you know how high up in government and corporate circles the
pedophile ring Larry King was operating reached?
NOREEN: I only know he had high political connections in the Republican
party and had "friends in high places" so to speak.
CHARLENE: From my research, it appears organized pedophilia is more rampant
than ever. It's international in scope, and it's a multi-billion dollar
growth industry. Please comment.
NOREEN: Pedophilia, kiddie porn and child prostitution is a multi-billion
dollar business. The only reason we have it to this degree is "supply and
demand and supply and demand". We have many high level wealthy pedophiles.
The only difference between a rich and poor pedophile is: The poor pedophile
must kidnap his own victims...while the rich one can afford to have his
victims brought to him." It sounds so simplistic but it is true.
CHARLENE: Was it John DeCamp who had informed you that after Larry King was
released from Federal Prison in 2001, he had a plum position waiting for him
somewhere within the ranks of the Republican Party? Larry King had been
famously characterized in the old days as: "the fastest rising black star in
the Republican Party." Often overlooked is the fact that King was found
guilty of financial crimes ONLY while he was head honcho at the Franklin
Community Credit Union. It's common knowledge that the Credit Union
collapsed due to massive financial irregularities, but it's uncommon
knowledge that King was never charged, and should have been, for his after
hours pedophile and money laundering activities while using the same credit
union as a front. So it would be no surprise to me if King had quietly
resumed his secret lifestyle as a pedophile kingpin, and is once again
living a life of privilege and power behind the scenes in Washington D.C.,
hosting late night pedophile parties in some elegant mansion along Embassy
Row, as he did before.
And then there's this:
According to the June 1989 "above the crease", SIZZLING front page article
in the Washington Times, and later verified in court by Paul Bonacci, the
White House has allegedly also hosted several of these "after hours"
parties. I've read that King has had close ties with Boy's Town since 1979.
I've heard through the grapevine that Larry King has recently met with Boys
Town officials from Omaha with plans to help
create another Boys Town on the outskirts of Washington, D.C.! And worse
yet, the project has progressed to the point of acquiring the permits
necessary to build the facility. Talk about an "Amber Alert"-- it takes my
breath away! Would you please comment on this relationship between Larry
King and Boys' Town, past and present?
NOREEN: We did learn within the last year that there are plans to build
another Boys Town outside of Washington DC, I can only speculate that King
is involved. He did go to Washington very shortly after his release from
prison in April 2001. Msgr. Hupp, former director of Boys Town, hired John
DeCamp to represent him, as he wanted to "tell everything he knew about Boys
Town, King and Franklin". Within a couple months Msgr. Hupp was dead. When I
met with him in 2004, he told me he was "afraid they were going to kill him
for what he knew". Now he too is gone. Hupp contacted DeCamp a few months
before he died. DeCamp said he died under unusual circumstances... I do not
know what they were.
CHARLENE: In February of 1999 in Lincoln Nebraska, you were questioned by
Plaintiff Paul Bonacci's attorney, John DeCamp, in the civil action Paul A.
Bonacci vs Lawrence E. King, with Judge Warren K. Urbom presiding, and you
revealed under oath the following :
"We have investigated, we have talked to so far 35 victims of this said
organization that took my son and is responsible for what happened to Paul,
and they can verify everything that has happened. What this story involves
is an elaborate function, I will say, that was an offshoot of a government
program. The MK-Ultra program was developed in the 1950s by the CIA. It was
used to help spy on other countries during the Cold War because they felt
that the other countries were spying on us."
(...)
"... there was a man by the name of Michael Aquino. He was in the military.
He had top Pentagon clearances. He was a pedophile. He was a Satanist. He's
founded the Temple of Set. And he was a close friend of Anton LaVey. The two
of them were very active in ritualistic sexual abuse. And they deferred
funding from this government program to use [in] this experimentation on
children. "...they deliberately split off the personalities of these
children into multiples, so that when they're questioned or put under oath
or questioned under lie detector, that unless the operator knows how to
question a multiple-personality disorder, they turn up with no evidence.
They used these kids to sexually compromise politicians or anyone else they
wish to have control of. This sounds so far out and so bizarre I had trouble
accepting it in the beginning myself until I was presented with the data. We
have the proof. In black and white."
Note: Noreen Gosch testimony culled from: Satanic subversion of the U.S.
Military, by Jeffrey Steinberg:
www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/satanic_subversion.htm
Your testimony serves as an eloquent summary of the Johnny Gosch case and as
a scathing indictment of government sponsored, pedophile operations. That's
why I included it as part of this interview. My question, Noreen, is - how
did Michael Aquino specifically fit into the Johnny Gosch kidnapping?
NOREEN: It was reported to me and given in Federal Court, February 1999, by
Paul Bonacci, that "Michael Aquino ... called the "Colonel" was in fact the
man who came to Iowa, paid the kidnappers for taking Johnny, then took
Johnny with him. This took place 14 days after the kidnapping. Bonacci
stated this under oath in Federal Court. Judge Urbom ruled Bonacci was
telling the truth.
CHARLENE: In your opinion why did Judge Urbom find Paul Bonacci and the
overall evidence John DeCamp presented to the court so compelling?
NOREEN: It was very surprising to us that Judge Urbom would allow this
process to take place, since he was the same Judge that stated he thought
Bonacci was nuts, not credible and not telling the truth. He did an "about
face" ...
CHARLENE: Any clues, guesses as to why Judge Urbom changed his mind so
abruptly? You certainly found Paul Bonacci credible. Why?
NOREEN: I have no idea why Judge Urbom changed his mind, it still baffles
all of us including John DeCamp. Paul Bonacci's information-- we have been
able to research, verify and prove the things he told us. This was done by a
private investigator that John De Camp hired years ago in 1989 through 2000.
CHARLENE: Could you connect the dots between brain wave frequencies, codes,
multi- personality disorder, and MK-ULTRA as it relates to organized
pedophilia?
NOREEN: The mind control works similar to hypnosis only to much deeper
levels. They program at Alpha, Beta, Theta and beyond to Omega level of
brain wave frequency the desired instructions for later use. During the
training/programming there is a technique where by the victim ... is split
and new personalities with identities are created for desired purposes. They
can be activated by a "key word, song, verbal suggestion" the mind control
victim will then go into what I would call an "automatic pilot" situation
and act out exactly what has been programmed in the individual.
CHARLENE: Was the program called Project Monarch? Didn't Bonacci's diary
contain pages and pages of codes?
NOREEN: Yes it was called Project Monarch and Bonacci had 4 or 5 diaries
with coding in it, step by step instructions on constructing a bomb etc. And
an account of all his abuses.
CHARLENE: Paul Bonacci won the case. Judge Urbom ruled that Lawrence E. King
was to pay Paul Bonacci one million dollars in damages. Although Mr. Bonacci
has yet to collect a penny of this hard won judgment, Paul Bonacci's court
victory, especially what he conveyed about his role in Johnny Gosch's
abduction, has given your investigation into Johnny's disappearance and
organized pedophilia more credibility. You've been in touch off and on with
Paul Bonacci since 1999. He's told you things about Johnny's appearance,
changes that Johnny has made to his person that are congruent with Jeff
Gannon's appearance. What did he tell you, and when? Are you still in touch
with him?
NOREEN: We are still periodically in touch with Bonacci, but he has not made
any reference to Gannon. He has stated he is in touch with Johnny, I believe
on a somewhat regular basis. From time to time he would give me messages
from Johnny. This was prior to Gannon appearing on the scene. Since
Gannongate... there has been no more info on Johnny from Bonacci.
CHARLENE: As part of the research for your book, Why Johnny Can't Come Home,
you invoked the FOIA (freedom of information act) and requested a paper
written by Michael Aquino called: "From PsyOps to
Mind War, the Success of Victory". The government refused your
request based on so-called NATIONAL SECURITY. I've read although Aquino's
paper was never officially published in any journals, it nevertheless
enjoyed a measure of popularity as, allegedly, it was widely circulated in
government/military circles. Fortunately, you managed to obtain a copy. What
was the relevance of this document to the Johnny Gosch case and perhaps to
all of us today?
NOREEN: This document written by Michael Aquino outlined the project of
using "mind controlling" techniques. It spelled out how it was to be done.
In researching for my book, I tried to access it as I had done with other
reports on the internet. I received a message saying I would have to file a
FOIA request. I filled out the paperwork, sent it and approximately 3 weeks
later I received a letter from the National Security Agency that it would be
a risk to National Security to release that information to me.
CHARLENE: Were these mind control techniques to be used on Americans? Who
was to administer the mind control and for what reason?
NOREEN: Yes, the mind control techniques were to be used on Americans, most
all of it was of military purposes ... they experimented on prisoners,
service men and branched out to runaway children, then finally kidnapping
children for this purpose.
CHARLENE: The "spookiest" story is how you procured that copy of Aquino's:
"From PsyOps to Mind War, the Success of Victory". It's beyond amazing how
the person who eventually sent you this document KNEW that you had been
trying to get a copy of it from the government. How could this information
leak out? Please explain.
NOREEN: Several weeks after receiving the letter from the NSA, I received a
phone call from Linda Blood
(former girlfriend of Aquino) she said "I understand you tried to get a copy
of a report written by Michael Aquino and instead got a letter from the
"NSA". I said "how would you know that"? She replied, "I know a lot of
things... would you like a copy, I have one and will mail it to you". She
did... and that is how I received it. I think Michael told her I had tried
to get and put her up to calling me for some reason.
CHARLENE: So now there is a devious scheme to steal your book. A Mr.
Zielinski is using the legal system to attempt to intimidate you and steal
your remaining book inventory, as well as seize the reprinting rights to
your self-published book: Why Johnny Can't Come Home. John Zielinski is a
published author of primarily books on the Amish. Where, when, and under
what circumstances did you FIRST meet Mr. Zielinski?
NOREEN: This is the most OUTRAGEOUS situation yet. To think someone would
try to take control of my book inventory and the reprint right is
unthinkable, not to mention the height of cruelty. This book is not a "big
money maker". It is not a Harry Potter type book with huge popularity. It is
a book designed to tell the story of my son, to help educate others and
protect children. The revenue keeps the expenses paid on the Johnny Gosch
Foundation and this idiot wants to try and take it from me. It is
unthinkable.
CHARLENE: When did Mr. Zielinski, first call you and ask you If you were
planning on writing a book about Johnny's abduction?
NOREEN: I first met Zielinski when he called our home and asked to do an
interview. He said he was a journalist. I did the interview just as I had
with many other journalists. I didn't hear from him again until Nov. 1999,
he began calling repeatedly to my office, asking when I was going to write
my book. I told him the book was in progress. I began writing my book in
1984.
CHARLENE: I find it odd that Mr. Zielinski contacted you and forthrightly
asked you if you were planning on covering information about the CIA created
MK-ULTRA program in your book. Why do you think an author of Amish books
would be so interested in MK-ULTRA?
NOREEN: Zielinski had a legal issue with Sutherland Publishing company in
Iowa. There was a court trial over the rights to a book on the Amish which
Zielinski claimed to have written. Sutherland won the case, a $25,000
judgment was placed against Zielinski and he was banned from ever publishing
another book in the State of Iowa under his own name. I think he just wanted
to "ride on the coat tails of the Johnny Gosch case". He did ask if I was
going to include info on the MK-ULTRA. I said yes... I have a great deal of
info on it.
CHARLENE: Is it accurate to say Mr. Zielinski was impressing you with his
ability to do research, extract information and cite sources from books in
his personal library about MK-ULTRA? He surely is no expert on MK-ULTRA.
Were these books out of print, extremely esoteric, or in some way not easily
available to you other than through him?
NOREEN: Zielinski said he had some more material on MK-ULTRA and thought it
should be included in the book. He offered to do some research on MK-ULTRA.
CHARLENE: How much material for your book on the subject of MK-ULTRA did he
actually provide?
NOREEN: He only provided a few paragraphs in a couple chapters. The info in
those paragraphs were taken from other books written by other authors, and I
listed credit to those authors for each entry in my book.
CHARLENE: And now he claims, in his lawsuit against you, that he wrote the
entire book for you and spent 12,000 hours on the project? How much research
time did he actually spend on your book?
NOREEN: His claims are absolutely absurd and a complete lie. I have many
witnesses to my statements and proof the book is mine. It is a chronological
account of my search for my son. It is my son, my story and my book. He only
worked a short time on the research. I have no idea where he drummed this
outrageous number of hours he claims to have spent on the project.
CHARLENE: Can you explain the payment or other compensation arrangement you
hammered out with Mr. Zielinski, including the remuneration he readily
agreed to. Am I correct in assuming Zielinski refused to put the agreement
in writing, although you had repeatedly requested a signed contract?
NOREEN: When Zielinski wanted to be involved in some research. I asked him
what he wanted for this. He said, "I only want my expenses covered while I
am in Des Moines". He also stated this before 5 witnesses. He refused to
sign any written agreement to this effect. I repeatedly asked him to sign an
agreement so we would be clear on this issue. I should have thrown him out
of my office right then. But I didn't know he had such sinister plan in the
back of his mind.
CHARLENE: Mr. Zielinski arrived to work with you at the end of May in 2000.
Your book was finished and sent to the publisher in September of 2000. You,
in fact, did the layout for your book by learning how to use the Pagemaker
program on your own. Yet, Mr. Zielinski proclaims that he did it all, he
wrote the entire book, he did the layout, and he originated the idea of
doing a book on Johnny Gosch's kidnapping in the first place. Last but not
least, he claims the book title was his idea, too. Please comment.
NOREEN: Yes, he is now going around telling anyone who will listen that he
did it all and the whole idea for the book was his. This again is another
example of an absurd lie. The book was started in 1983... within a couple
months after Johnny was kidnapped.... Decades before I ever heard of
Zielinski.
CHARLENE: Isn't it true, after Mr. Zielinski started working for you he
tried several times to take over the ENTIRE book project. It got so bad that
on one occasion you had to ask him to leave your home? You warned him that
you wouldn't work with him any longer if he continued to disregard the fact
that this was YOUR project and that it was YOUR book. Is that true? Then
what happened?
NOREEN: Yes, I did have to tell him to leave my home on several occasions.
He would begin to "yell and scream that he wanted me to do something a
certain way ... stating he was an expert because he authored books on the
Amish". I reminded him that it was "my son, my story and my book and if he
didn't settle down he had to get out of my home and the project". He also on
occasion would want to "rub my back, rub my feet, saying I should let him do
what he did best". That was the last straw... I told him to get out and stay
out. There was no way I was going to put up with that type of behavior in my
own home/office.
CHARLENE: In October of 2000, you were invited to be a guest speaker at a
National Private Investigators Conference, which, luckily for you, was to be
held in your hometown of Des Moines, Iowa. Mr. Zielinski found out about the
conference and wanted to attend as a guest, so you graciously arranged for
him to attend. The Johnny Gosh Story was slated to be the primary focus of
the conference, though not the only topic. NBC Dateline had agreed to film
the conference, which would have provided free national publicity for your
self-published book. The Johnny Gosh story would have finally received the
National attention it deserved. This kind of prime time TV exposure had the
potential to help countless other missing children and their hapless
families across America. Knowledge is power. Your book is a powerful
tool. So I'd say this was the chance of a lifetime. But something went
terribly wrong. And that something was Mr. Zielinski. Please explain.
NOREEN: Zielinski while sitting in the audience of this gathering of P.I's
began shouting comments to the moderator and speakers on stage. He was told
to keep quiet several times. He created a huge disturbance and it was
unfortunately being filmed by NBC Dateline. After his asinine performance,
Dateline informed me that they were pulling out of the project and they
would not do my story and I lost any chance of National publicity for my
book on TV
CHARLENE: Mr. Zielinski knowingly or unknowingly sabotaged your golden
opportunity with NBC Dateline. Yet even after that debacle, Mr. Zielinski
unexpectedly paid you a visit and presented you with a legal document to
sign--a demand letter. Wasn't he insisting that you owed him something like
$18,000? Never mind the fact that you had already paid out-of-pocket for his
living arrangements and food during the time he worked on your book-- per a
prearranged agreement! Adding insult to injury, he proceeded to casually
inform you he had a son, who will soon be graduating from law school. And
then he tells you, it was his son who had advised him that his legal rights
had been violated by you. Zielinski continued to intimidate you into signing
his spurious document, while you firmly stood your ground and politely
refused. I understand he also asked for copies of your book (to resell) and
you graciously said okay? Didn't your husband box about a $1000 worth
(retail) of books for Mr. Zielinski that night, which he accepted? Please
elaborate.
NOREEN: Zielinski's expenses were paid by me during the few months he was in
Des Moines, I worked nights after I worked on the book all day in order to
pay his expenses, plus my own bills. Zielinski has lied about every aspect
of his involvement on this project. He has in the past done this very thing
to another individual, John Swanson, a film/video maker. They worked
together on a video of Amish nature. Mr. Swanson was bilked for thousands of
dollars by Zielinski. Mr. Swanson has given us a full accounting of what
took place. Zielinski has made a life practice of living off of other
people. He has not held a job in 30 years... claims he is a full time
author, and it is beneath him to hold a job. He also informed me he is
invisible in this country concerning the IRS and Social Security
Administration. He has not filed or paid into SS in 30 years. I feel that
now he is 62 years of age, he intended to make me and the Johnny Gosch
Foundation his "401 K plan".
CHARLENE: That's the last you had heard from Mr. Zielinski, until out of the
blue in December 2004 you got a call from your attorney saying Mr. Zielinski
is suing you and we (you and your attorney) only have four days to respond.
Wisely, you requested that your attorney immediately ask for an extension,
as a four day time frame was out of the question. You knew it would have
been impossible to contact your witnesses, let alone prepare a defense on
such short notice. I understand your attorney told you he didn't believe
you'd get an extension and didn't want to ask for one. It was only due to
your insistence that your attorney reluctantly acquiesced and finally got
the extension. What were the key issues behind Zielinski's lawsuit? How much
was he asking for supposed damages.
NOREEN: Zielinski is now asking for $24,000 and they tried to settle out of
court for the remaining inventory and reprint rights. That is out of the
question and so is the $24,000. I lived up to my responsibility... I paid
all his expenses, food, and gave him books in 2000. Now he comes prancing in
with his son the "new lawyer" and goes after me in a law suit. I believe
this is probably his son's first case and they want to "clean up". He
somehow has repeated his lies so many times that he now believes them.
CHARLENE: Next your attorney phones to tell you Zielinski wants to settle
out of court. And this is where the story reminds me of an episode from the
Twilight Zone. Your attorney's reaction to the settlement offer and his
legal advice regarding the settlement is well, from a layman's perspective,
totally against your best interests legal and otherwise! And that's putting
it mildly. Explain the settlement offer, and include what you told your
attorney your final decision is about Zielinski's settlement offer, and your
attorney's reaction to your decision.
NOREEN: I was very disappointed that my attorney said it was a "good deal"
to give Zielinski the remainder of all my books and the reprint rights. The
only person it is a good deal for is Zielinski... it would but the Johnny
Gosch Foundation out of business. We have done good work for children for
the past 22 years and this was build on integrity and hard work by me. I can
not and will not allow Zielinski to that that away. My son's kidnapping
should stand for something good in this country. This is too important.
CHARLENE: Has your attorney finally seen the light?! If not-- I'd probably
fire him!
NOREEN: I am afraid he still feels the same way. I am working on another
strategy of my own.
CHARLENE: The depositions that were taken for Zielinski vs Gosch were done
on December 17th 2004. During the depositions you presented the plaintiff's
attorney with a document your husband had prepared and Mr. Zielinski had
signed in 2000. Please describe what the document contained.
NOREEN: Zielinski's attorney was shocked when my attorney presented the
document Zielinski signed on Oct. 30, 2000 in which he relinquished any/all
rights to the book or to represent me or the Johnny Gosch Foundation in any
way. We prepared this document and asked him to sign it after he made such
an ass out of himself at the Private Investigator's Conference. I wanted to
make it clear to him he could not go forth and represent me or the
foundation in any way shape or form.
CHARLENE: Although there are clearly similarities with Zielinski's past M.O
and what he's currently doing in your case, I also feel there is a major
distinction to be made. Books about the Amish have a strong appeal and a
strong niche following, especially illustrated books about Amish life
showcasing bucolic landscapes with horse drawn buggies, hearth cooked food,
handmade furniture and various other Amish crafts. A professionally
illustrated book about the Amish could readily translate into a steady
stream of income. Of course, I think Zielinski was chasing after money in
his previous book/video bilking schemes. But in your case, I think his
motive is slightly different. Why Johnny Can't Come Home isn't destined to
be a big money maker (although it should be). Your excellent book won't be
on many coffee tables in America. I'd venture to say most American's are not
ready to hear about organized pedophilia, let alone the fact that their
government, some well known politicians, the CIA, military and corporate
elites are not only operating these child, sex slave rings, but are
themselves pedophiles. So I think Mr. Zielinski has another motive here.
Yeah, he's still after money, but not by stealing the rights to your book so
he can sell it retail one book at a time. Have you considered the
possibility that Mr. Zielinski is a front man for a hidden third party that
has secretly hired Mr. Zielinski to acquire the rights to your book? This
hidden third party could agree to pay Mr. Zielinski handsomely for his
trouble, a lump sum that would garner him more money much faster than he
could ever hope to make off selling your book retail. The payoff for the
third party: They get to quash your book, to destroy it and forever keep it
from the public. Or, reprint the book and revise it--adding disinformation,
and misinformation--you get the picture. What do you think?
NOREEN: I totally agree with you and feel this is part of a much larger
act... to permanently get my book out of circulation. The very idea that
someone could drum up a lawsuit like this is an example why we need "reform"
concerning this {U.S. legal system} in our country. Anyone can sue anyone,
forcing the defendant to hire an attorney, pay thousands of dollars to
protect/defend themselves. This is wrong wrong and wrong. They say everyone
has their price and I feel Zielinski has been bought.
CHARLENE: In 1997 a miracle occurred. Johnny showed up at your apartment
with a friend and visited with you for several hours. He told you he had
escaped the sex-slave ring for the time being. He confided in you, and he
recounted what had actually happened to him after his abduction; he pleaded
with you to expose the people and the organization that had harmed him and
that continues to harm many other children. What are some of the key points
that Johnny shared with you that night? Did Johnny ask you to write a book
about his kidnapping and forced participation as a sex slave in an elite
controlled pedophile ring?
NOREEN: Johnny asked me to get his story out. Soon after he left that night,
I decided to begin to put all of my journals, notes and already written
chapters into book form. The time had come to tell Johnny's story. Johnny
was here in 1997, I began within a few weeks of his visit.... Zielinski
didn't contact me until Nov. 1999
CHARLENE: My sense is that you will NEVER give up your remaining book
inventory or your reprint rights to "Why Johnny Can't Come Home." However,
if it's true that there is a third party behind Zielinski and his
transparent legal maneuver to swindle you out of your book rights, and
ultimately to suppress the Johnny Gosch story once and for all--if that's
the case, I'm sure these folks have a huge war chest that could sustain a
long, drawn out legal battle. Unfortunately, more often than not, the one
with the most gold most often wins in our plutocratic legal system. This
institutionalized legal strategy of wearing out an opponent through
financial attrition has little to do with justice or truth. Add to this the
fact that ANYONE with BUCKS can sue anyone else for just about any reason,
real or imagined. And-- if an unscrupulous party with a large, legal war
chest brings a disingenuous legal action against a less financially endowed
party, the wealthy party will usually prevail, because the honest party
doesn't have the funds to defend themselves in our EXPENSIVE and cumbersome
legal system. This worries me in your case. Have you considered setting up a
legal fund, perhaps through your foundation, to help sustain you in what
could be a classic David vs Goliath legal struggle. Also, any breaking news
from the legal front?
NOREEN: I am not quite sure how I am going to handle the financial
situation. I will need the money to do so... in the past I have used most
all of my personal income and revenue from the book to continue the work for
children. I believe there will have to be some kind of "divine intervention"
to make things right in this situation. I have worked too hard for nearly 23
years.
CHARLENE: Enough is enough! Johnny, your beloved son was brutally
taken from you at the tender age of 12 years, and now, quite possibly, the
very same elite, pedophile cabal is trying to take away a huge part of your
life story and Johnny's story, thereby censoring what really happened to him
and why. It strikes me as yet another level of abduction-- a symbolic
kidnapping of Johnny, a theft of memory, or more accurately an attempt to
erase from the "public mind" any trace of Johnny Gosch. Talk about identity
theft!
NOREEN: Yes this is the worst kind of identity theft... I still
can't believe sometimes that he was taken right out of his neighborhood and
that all this has happened and now this law suit.
I keep receiving strength to go on but even I have limits to what I
can withstand. Unfortunately, so much of this a parent of a missing child
must bear alone.
CHARLENE: Are there any closing thoughts or comments you'd like to make? Is
there anything new on the legal front?
NOREEN: At this point I don't know what is going to transpire next.
There are a number of things taking place right now and I am not able to
comment on them just yet. It all involves information we are hoping to
develop.
CHARLENE: It's my hope that everyone who reads this interview will consider
supporting you and your noble cause, as well as defray your looming legal
expenses to keep the rights to your book, by visiting your website at:
www.johnnygosch.com and buying YOUR book or donating (or both) to the Johnny
Gosch Foundation.
http://www.rense.com/general67/gannn.htm
About - Jeff Gannon,
Johnny Gosch And
The Attempted Theft Of
Her Book 'Why Johnny
Can't Come Home'
By Charlene Fassa
8-18-5
As most of you already know, Noreen Gosch is the mother of Johnny Gosch.
When Johnny Gosch was 12 years of age and working as a paperboy for the Des
Moines Register newspaper, he was kidnapped not far from his home. It was a
quiet Sunday morning, around 6A.M. on September 5, 1982, when Johnny had
left his home on foot to collect his assigned stack of newspapers to deliver
around his quintessential "Leave It To Beaver" neighborhood. Just as he was
about to pick up his bundle of newspapers, he was forcefully nabbed off the
street, shoved into the back seat of a strange car, drugged, and permanently
removed from his family. Johnny's childhood would be destroyed while his
family was shattered and consigned to a life of endless grieving.
Years later, on February 5, 1999, in a civil action in a U.S. District Court
in Lincoln, Nebraska, Paul Bonacci painstakingly recounted the sordid, heart
breaking details of Johnny Gosch's abduction and forced participation in an
elite government sponsored pedophile sex slave ring, that dehumanized and
controlled its young, hapless victims using techniques such as drugs,
murder, satanic rituals, sexual abuse, and torture, resulting in MPD
(multiple-personality disorder). The children were systemically programmed
and "zombified" as part of the CIA's ongoing, under-the-radar MK-ULTRA (MK =
mind control) mind control program.
Bonacci's attorney was John DeCamp, who later authored a revealing and
ground breaking book called The Franklin Cover-Up, which is a
no-holds-barred expose of the pedophile ring that had abducted both Johnny
Gosch and Paul Bonacci. Paul Bonacci knew what he was talking about
regarding Johnny Gosch's kidnapping in 1982. Why? Because he was there!
Bonacci's role within the pedophile ring was simultaneously that of a victim
and a perpetrator. Actually, the then 16 year old Paul Bonacci was the
person who had lured and then forced Johnny into the back of the car that
screeched away on that fateful September morning. It was Bonacci who had
helped drug Johnny, and then proceeded to initiate him into the group, his
new "family", by sexually assaulting him.
Bonacci himself had been abducted and pressed into service as an MK-ULTRA
sex slave by Lawrence E. King, a high ranking Republican operative who
managed Franklin Savings and Loan in Omaha, Nebraska as a front for an
internationally organized pedophile ring. He ran this pedophile ring for the
benefit of government, military, and big business elites, whose patronage
included political blackmail, snuff films, kiddy pornography, prostitution,
illegal arms and drug running, extortion, and money laundering. This was the
same Larry King who allegedly ran the infamous midnight "call-boy" tours of
the White House, along with Craig Spence. Amazingly, the White House
pedophile story was headlined by the Washington Times, on June 29, 1989.
This brings us full circle back to Noreen Gosch. She has been an
indefatigable seeker of the truth in all things related to her son's
kidnapping. It was Noreen's personally funded private detectives, not the
police or any branch of law enforcement, who finally uncovered the culprits
who were behind Johnny's kidnapping, including why they had chosen him, for
what purpose, and what they had done to him as a result.
Noreen has been instrumental in exposing organized pedophilia, its
infrastructure and some of the personalities behind it, as well as helping
to expose the pedophile network's interlocking relationships with elite
hierarchies of political, military, and corporate power.
For the past 23 years, Noreen has dedicated her life to educating parents,
politicians, police, teachers, children and anyone who would listen to the
sordid facts behind child abductions in America, including the hidden menace
of organized pedophile rings.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?
"In each of the past 22 years, every president of the United States has
continued to proclaim May 25th as National Missing Children's Day."
NOTE: "... each year on May 25th ... National Missing Children's Day... they
always have a theme. In 1994, they used the theme of " turn your porch light
on for missing children". The National Center for Missing Children chose
that in honor of Johnny, because our family kept our porch light on from the
first night he was missing and for the next 15 years. It was quite an honor
to have him chosen but also sad that any parent would have to do so."
--Noreen Gosch
Here are the most up to date studies on missing children from the National
Center for Missing and Exploited Children:
"To date, two such studies have been completed. The first National Incidence
Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children (NISMART-1),
was released in 1990, and the second, known as NISMART-2, was released in
October 2002. According to NISMART-2 research, which studied the year 1999,
an estimated 797,500 children were reported missing; 58,200 children were
abducted by nonfamily {sic} members; 115 children were the victims of the
most serious, long-term non-family abductions called "stereotypical
kidnappings"; and 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions."
(http://www.missingkids.com)
When you crunch the numbers behind the statistics for children abducted by
non-family members, a disturbing picture emerges.
When you divide 58,200 by 365 days of the year, you get 159.45 children who
go missing every day!
Remember, these are only children that were abducted by non-family members
and only in the USA.
That's about a 1,119 children disappearing each week. And that's data from
1999!
After considering the above statistics and the tragedy it represents for
humanity, it's easy to understand why Noreen established the Johnny Gosch
Foundation shortly after Johnny's kidnapping in 1982.
But that's not all. In the1980's, she pioneered both state and federal
legislation that ensures the rights of kidnapped children and their
families. You can visit the Johnny Gosch Foundation website to learn more
about the foundation's mission and its many notable achievements:
http://www.johnnygosch.com. You can also preview Noreen's informative and
gripping book about the kidnapping of her son: Why Johnny Can't Come Home.
Unbelievibly, now Noreen is threatened with another loss, as if the 1982
brutal kidnapping of her son Johnny wasn't enough. A scoundrel is using the
courts to paint Noreen into a legal and financial corner in order to to
steal HER remaining book inventory and the reprint rights to HER book. This
is unconscionable. Noreen's book, Why Johnny Can't Come Home, represents a
huge part of her life story, and, frankly, it's practically all she tangibly
has left of her son.
And that brings us to the Jeff Gannon conundrum. In addition to the
potentially devestating legal battle over her book, Noreen is still trying
to determine if Jeff Gannon is indeed her son Johnny Gosch. Those who say
there's not enough credible evidence to demand a DNA test, which would
finally resolve this issue, are simply WRONG! For example, Jim Rothstein, a
retired NYC Detective, who spent 35 years on the force, much of it
investigating child slavery and pedophile rings, asserts that the evidence
is strong that Gannon is actually Johnny Gosch. "To me Gannon looks like
Johnny," Rothstein opines-- "Everything just fits - the profile, the M.O.,
everything, "
Then there's Ted Gunderson, a retired FBI agent who has worked on the
Johnny Gosch case for over a decade. On Gunderson's website his bio reads,
*Prior to retirement in 1979, Ted Gunderson had over 700 persons under his
command and operated a $22 million annual budget." His complete resume is
here: http://www.tedgunderson.com. Gunderson says he has a credible source
that is certain Jeff Gannon is Johnny Gosch. "My source has told me in the
past that he has maintained contact with Johnny Gosch," Gunderson reveals,
"Let's just say he's in a position to know." "The kids are all in touch with
each other. It's a bond they all share." Gunderson concludes with, "The only
way I'd be 100 percent sure is if there was a DNA test or if he admitted
it."
Noreen confirms, "Ted sent me a videotape of his interview with his source
and he {source} said Gannon is Gosch, and he said it without hesitation and
without blinking an eye, and he said he's known it for months." Noreen
"believes the man is credible." Gunderson makes it clear that Bonacci is not
his informant, but is quick to add that Bonacci "informed him a while back
that Gosch had changed his appearance."
In fact, there's even corroboration from John DeCamp, who weighs in with,
"Bonacci told me the same thing {that Jeff Gannon is Johnny Gosch}." And
this bombshell from Noreen: "...the birthmark on Johnny's chest is very
similar to a mark seen on Gannon's chest in at
least one photo. Gannon has a spot on his right cheek in the same place as
Johnny." The Rothstein, Gunderson, and Gosch (Noreen) quotes are from an
article by Tim Schmitt, "Johnny Gosch, Jeff Gannon, Hunter Thompson and the
Unraveling of a Troubling Tale"
(http://educate-yourself.org/cn/goschgannohuntertrublingtale05apr05.shtml)
The bottom line is this: There is enough "credible" evidence linking Jeff
Gannon and
Johnny Gosch for Noreen and her private investigators to insist on
a DNA test. The "credible" evidence phase of the case has passed. It's
now a case of obtaining "conclusive" evidence. To her credit, Noreen has
ALWAYS maintained that she didn't KNOW beyond a shadow of doubt if Gannon
was or
wasn't her son, Johnny. But she'd like to know, and I believe she
deserves to know, whichever way it turns out.
PRESS RELEASE
On July 23rd, 2005 Michael Corbin, talk show radio host of A Closer Look @
www.4acloserlook.com issued the following press release:
"Jeff Gannon/James Dale Guckert is he also Johnny Gosch? Gannon/Guckert
Offers to Take DNA Test to Prove he is not the missing paper boy Johnny
Gosch who was snatched from the his paper route. "... Chameleon like Jeff
Gannon also known as James Dale Guckert, the former gay model known as
Bulldog, who obtained White House press credentials and held them for two
years is the middle of yet another controversy. Could the mysterious Jeff
Gannon who popped up from nowhere in 2003 with unfettered White House access
be the missing paperboy Johnny Gosch?"
(...)
"This controversy led to the White House then and possibly now through this
bizarre allegation that Jeff Gannon may be the kidnapped Johnny Gosch.
Gannon's name has also come up in connection with the ongoing investigation
in the Valerie Plame-Karl Rove CIA leak. Indeed Gannon's background is a
mystery. While Gannon claims he has many witnesses as to his background, he
does not seem to be able to produce a biological mother and father. Gannon
has denied on the Denver based radio talk show, A Closer Look, hosted by
Michael Corbin, that he is Johnny Gosch and has offered to Noreen Gosch, the
mother of the missing boy, to take a DNA test." "Developments will follow."
(...)
For more background information and details about Jeff Gannon and Johnny
Gosch visit the: Gannon/White House Sex Scandal archive at www.Rense.com:
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/ganndat.htm
INTERVIEW WITH NOREEN GOSCH
CHARLENE: Isn't this the first time Jeff Gannon has publicly stated that
he's not Johnny Gosch? Why now?
NOREEN: I think Gannon needs to continue the publicity and is now coming
forward on the DNA only too keep somewhat of a spotlight on himself.
CHARLENE: Even though you've always publicly maintained that you didn't know
if Jeff Gannon was Johnny Gosch, Gannon has threatened to sue you on three
different occasions. Why? What types of contact have you had with Jeff
Gannon?
NOREEN: I have had only email communication with Gannon. He threatened to
sue me because I have stated " I do not know if Gannon is or is not Johnny".
He claims that is throwing doubt in the minds of people who would otherwise
say he is not Johnny. I would think he would want the DNA test and if he is
not Johnny ... then state it publicly and be done with it.
CHARLENE: I understand there are some unique physical characteristics that
Jeff Gannon and Johnny Gosch share. What are they?
NOREEN: There are many facial features and the basic structure of his face
which are similar to Johnny. The color of his eyes and reports of a
birthmark on Gannon is the same as Johnny's. I have not seen the birthmark
however.
CHARLENE: For many internet researchers and bloggers, there appear to be
numerous reasons to suspect that Jeff Gannon and Johnny Gosch are the same
person. For starters, the name Jeff Gannon, seems be related to Johnny Gosh
in a twisted sort of way. Would you explain the "name game" and how it
relates to other "players" and Johnny?
NOREEN: It appears in all of the alias names Gannon has used that he kept
the same initials as Johnny... JDG. Gannon also chose the last name of the
Des Moines Register Editor at the time Johnny was kidnapped. There just
seems to be a replay constantly of Johnny's initials or clues to link Gannon
to parts of Johnny's life.
CHARLENE: Besides the physical attributes and JDG initials pattern, what
other linkages/revelations between Gannon and Johnny have compelled you and
your team to propose a DNA test be administered to Gannon in order to
acheive closure on the Gannon/Gosch issue?
NOREEN: There have been two informants who have stated Gannon and Johnny are
one in the same person. For me, the only way that could possibly be resolved
is a DNA test. That is the reason my investigative team have asked for a DNA
test.
CHARLENE: I understand you've verified that Johnny had plastic surgery about
4 years ago, and coincidentally he also started shaving his head around the
same time.
NOREEN: Yes, long before Gannon surfaced, I had learned that Johnny had
plastic surgery and begun to shave his head. So when Gannon did come on the
scene... it was one more thing to consider.
CHARLENE: Not long ago, on an internet radio interview, I heard Rusty
Nelson, Larry King's ex-private, pedophile-ring photographer speaking about,
among other things, Jeff Gannon and Johnny Gosch. Unfortunately, Rusty
Nelson's story is beyond the scope of this interview. Suffice it to say, in
order to survive and out of sheer desperation, Rusty managed to escape from
Larry King's clutches and is currently on the lam. Naturally, having been
King's private photographer, Nelson knew Johnny. During the interview Nelson
offered his opinion as to whether or not he thought Johnny Gosch was Jeff
Gannon. To paraphrase, he volunteered that he felt close to certain that
they were one and the same person. He followed up with an anecdotal story
about having serendipitously bumped into Johnny Gosch, several years ago at
a Farmer's Market--I can't recall where. It seems to me that Rusty Nelson is
qualified to speculate on this matter. Were you aware of his conjecture?
Have you been in contact with Rusty Nelson?
NOREEN: I have been in contact with Rusty and have known him for years. He
has shared a great deal of information with us and testified in federal
court in 1999 as to all of these events. He told me nearly 4 years ago that
he had seen Johnny at the Farmer's Market in a particular city.
CHARLENE: As of late you've been in contact with the Franklin kids. These
are the children from the Des Moines and Omaha area who were also abducted
and MK-ULTRAED into Larry King's international, elite controlled, pedophile
ring around the same time Johnny was. Some of these survivors are no doubt
members of the original 83 children who came forward to testify about their
horrific abuse in the Franklin Case. Of course, like Johnny these "children"
are now approaching 40 years of age, but they are most likely
developmentally arrested, to greater or lesser degrees, "emotionally frozen"
at the age they were abducted and ritually traumatized. Can you share with
us what these survivors, the victims of King's pedophile ring are telling
you of their horrific ordeal and their feelings about the future?
NOREEN: I have been in touch with a number of the Franklin kids, many have
shared information with me. They continue communication to this day. For a
number of them, their lives have been broken as children who were victims of
these crimes. It is true they are now all approaching 40 years of age. Many
are "fed up... angry" about what happened to them and how their lives have
been robbed. Some want to do something about it and others are still very
afraid for themselves and their loved ones.
CHARLENE: I believe that you once said some of these survivors feel like
they have been programmed to do something in the future, but they don't know
what it is. It sounds like a group of "sleeper" Manchurian Candidate cells
that could be activated at any time for evil purposes--no doubt. Could you
explain?
NOREEN: It is a form of Manchurian Candidate....many feel these kids are
programmed to be accessed/triggered for some future use or project.
CHARLENE: Many of these kids knew Johnny. Do some of the Franklin kids
you've been in contact with believe Jeff Gannon is Johnny Gosch?
NOREEN: The majority of the Franklin kids I have been in contact with do
believe Jeff Gannon is Johnny. Some say they have been in communication with
him on a fairly regular basis. I would suspect this is done by email on
computer rather than face to face meetings.
CHARLENE: On the Johnny Gosch Foundation website: www.johnnygosch.com --you
describe Johnny as "Chameleon" like. Others have also characterized him as
"Chameleon" like, including some of the surviving Franklin kids. Is it true
that Jeff Gannon also described himself as "Chameleon" like?
NOREEN: Throughout this investigation, I have been trained as a Private
Investigator... I listen for these "plays on words". The reference to Johnny
being a Chameleon was given to me by seven of the Franklin kids I have
known. I asked them why he was considered a "Chameleon". They all told me it
was because Johnny was a "master of disguise". Gannon then began referring
to himself as "the Chameleon". I find that to be significant... Could it be
a coincidence...." co-incident" or was it given by Gannon as some kind of
clue. Gannon has also stated he has "hidden in plain sight". Interesting
idea.
CHARLENE: And then there's that pesky DNA test Gannon's been dodging...
until now--maybe? It seems Gannon has a pattern of agreeing to submit to a
DNA test, only later to refuse-- for one reason or another. Also, most
people probably aren't aware that Gannon has repeatedly stipulated various
conditions that need to be met by your team as part of his agreeing to a DNA
test. Can you summarize the history of DNA negotiations with Gannon up to
and including the current agreement?
NOREEN: In March 2005, shortly after this story broke about Gannon. I wrote
to him by email (3 times) to ask him to "quietly agree to a DNA test" to
resolve this situation. Gannon did not answer my emails. We then sent a
gentleman representing me to Gannon's home to talk with him. Gannon answered
the door, when the man asked him about a DNA and told he was there on behalf
of the "woman in Iowa". Gannon slammed the door on the man.
We later were on a network TV show in which Gannon said he would take a DNA
test. Only to later develop all kinds of stipulations:
1. That the results should be kept private (no problem there).
2. That I would be required to make a public statement saying he was not my
son and sign documents agreeing not to ever mention his name in public.
3. That Gannon would publicly make some declarations of
"spiritual support" for me.
4. Finally, that Gannon go forward to be a "national speaker for Missing
Children."
Some of these conditions were absurd.
To date... Gannon agreed to do the DNA on Michael Corbin's show then has
stalled once again. The DNA test is now in limbo for a while.
CHARLENE: Did Gannon ever ask to be paid for taking a DNA test?
NOREEN: Yes at one time he stated he wanted to be paid big bucks for his
"DNA SAMPLE". I rejected that idea but offered to pay for the actual test.
CHARLENE: As I recall, your longtime private investigator, Mr. Rothstein,
who is a retired NYC Detective, is in charge of DNA negotiations/ logistics
with Jeff Gannon. If Gannon actually follows through and submits to a DNA
test, I'm sure Rothstein will ensure every step of the procedure is
carefully monitored. Call me paranoid, but I would be suspicious of the
results-- if there were any unsupervised gaps (breaks in the chain of
evidence) between the blood being drawn and the DNA analysis. Even if the
lab is reputable, elite sociopaths (people behind Gannon?) with unlimited
power and money to burn always seem to find ways to derail these well
intentioned, truth seeking investigations. I'm sure Mr. Rothstein is twenty
steps ahead of me on this-- and has a plan in place to control as many
variables as humanly possible so that Gannon's DNA test results will be bona
fide. Can you comment?
NOREEN: Jim Rothstein has arranged for a reliable lab to do the DNA test. We
have advised Gannon of this... He has refused to give us the name of his
attorney so we can communicate with him to make arrangements.
CHARLENE: It seem obvious that Gannon is playing mind games with you
regarding his willingness or lack there of to take a DNA test! And as you've
astutely surmised, this on again off again DNA test scenario is free
publicity for him. And I'm sure Gannon is more than capable of making good
use of publicity, even if it's negative. On the other hand, if he is Johnny
Gosch, taking a DNA test could undoubtedly put him in harms way. Then again,
this DNA volleyball could be part of an overall cynical strategy by Gannon
and his handlers to keep the "Gannon is Gosch" story alive, but essentially
take the energy out of it. The story continues, it limps along, but in a
vapid state of limbo. This way the character arc, the tension, the climax of
the story can been shifted to fit an agenda. Maybe this game is a backdoor
approach for Gannon to gain control of the "Is Gannon really Gosch"
speculation frenzy. He knows the DNA ball will forever be in his court. If
Gannon can keep the story focused at the level of a DNA test that's never
resolved, and if he can keep the public's ATTENTION focused on forensics --
he's in control. And while he does his DNA dance, he can also threaten legal
action against anyone who publicly wonders about the is "Gannon really
Gosch" riddle -- it's a CHECKMATE of sorts.
CHARLENE: A local media outlet in your region about a month ago ran a piece
on their internet site announcing that there had been a significant
"breakthrough" in the Johnny Gosch case. I think they described it as:
"Johnny Gosch case heating-up." Yet they never mentioned exactly what the
breakthrough was! Or I just plain missed it. However, they did mention
something about the CIA and their alleged involvement in organized
pedophilia. What happened to the CIA agent who had contacted you in order to
help you crack the Johnny Gosch case years ago, and who was instrumental in
your testifying before a Congressional Committee? What was the
"breakthrough" in Johnny's case?
NOREEN: The CIA agent who has resurfaced recently has brought information to
Jim Rothstein which is significant at this time. Jim shared a portion of it,
which the Waterloo, Iowa TV station reported on. It was then circulated
throughout the internet. He informed us that originally 1700 children were
targeted for this project... they (pedophile ring) set about kidnapping
children throughout the country over a period of years. The number of
"usable children" they ended up with was approximately 1,000. I filed a FIOA
request and received a reply saying "All records on Johnny's case with the
CIA have vanished."
CHARLENE: After all these years, a fearful eye-witness finally came forward
and detailed what really had happened to Johnny Gosch on the day he was
kidnapped. He illuminated a crucial, hidden aspect of Johnny's abduction. He
knew Johnny wasn't a runaway, he had watched Johnny's abduction unfold from
a window in the safety of his home. What's the significance of this new
revelation after all these years? Could this new eye-witness report
officially reopen the Johnny Gosch case?
NOREEN: We learned 22 years later that the only eye-witness to the
kidnapping was forced to change his story years ago by the police chief. He
saw a man shoot Johnny with a stun gun, saw him fall, then be thrown into
the back seat of a waiting car. The witness instead stated he only heard the
slamming of a car door. By the changing of the story 22 years later, it
allowed the Police chief, Orval Cooney deniability and then call Johnny a
"runaway child" instead of "kidnapped child". We also later learned the same
police chief had been attending the sex parties in Omaha Nebraska with the
Franklin kids, so it is no mystery why he was trying to "bury the Johnny
Gosch story/case". The police say the case remains open to this day...but
when I approached them with this information... they say " we are not going
to try and reinvent the wheel". A cute way of sidestepping the issue. We are
discussing possibilities of legal recourse but have not made a decision as
yet.
CHARLENE: There's been some disturbing incidents and strange, synchronistic
events involving you and others, who were or are connected to the Johnny
Gosch case. Recently, there was your yearly Johnny Gosch "update" interview
with a local radio host, a seasoned, nine year veteran, who was subsequently
fired. Not long after the update interview, a strange doll was delivered to
your door. And then, about two days later, you heard some distressing news
on the radio about a man who had revealed to you important information about
your local Police Chief and Johnny's kidnapping. Comments?
NOREEN: Marty Stacey, an Omaha radio talk show host, did an interview with
me and Jim Rothstein. During the interview, we shared the information in the
question/answer above regarding the police chief being involved in this
scandal. The following day Marty was called in by his boss and fired... the
reason given was the "Gosch/Rothstein interview". The following morning
someone placed an "anatomically correct, blow up, nude sex doll with dark
hair and a hole blown in the head at the door of my home". No one saw it
being placed there. The police were called and I made a police report on the
situation. We consider this to be a "veiled" threat towards me regarding the
information that I gave during the interview.
CHARLENE: How many and what types of other threats and or harassment have
you experienced prior to the doll incident?
NOREEN: Over the years I have been followed, received threatening phone
calls, had men come to my home and pound on the outside of my house, throw
rocks at my home. My cars have been damaged. It has been a very nerve
wracking situation and one has to wonder, why would anyone harass the mother
of a missing child ..... just for looking for her child? It is because there
is much more to this crime and they are afraid I will uncover it and make it
ALL PUBLIC.
CHARLENE: Is there an official/unofficial body-count related to the
Franklin/Johnny Gosch case?
NOREEN: The official body count for deaths in the Franklin/Johnny case is
now up to 15 deaths of witnesses and people who have come forward with
information.
CHARLENE: From what you and your investigators have discovered, what have
you determined about how organized pedophile rings function? For example, is
it true that these rings hire professional photographers to surreptitiously
photograph children, and then compile these photos into catalogues so
"clients" can choose their preferred victims?
NOREEN: In August 1984, I testified at a Senate Hearing in Washington DC. It
was an Organized Crime hearing regarding Missing Children. During the
various testimony by myself and others, Ken Lanning of the FBI, also
testified. The FBI also provided a catalog of materials confiscated by them
during the arrest of pedophiles. There were instruction books on molesting
children, torture devices and a catalog of children who had not yet been
kidnapped. A prospective "BUYERS GUIDE".
CHARLENE: On a more personal note, I worked at a Rape Crisis Center, in the
early 90's as a psychotherapist, as an advocate for sexual abuse victims, as
well as directing and coordinating a Children's SafeHouse. The SafeHouse was
a specially prepared room in the center where we forensically interviewed
sexually abused children in order to provide evidence to hopefully prosecute
perpetrators directly or use the evidence to extract confessions and then
prosecute. Sadly, there was an appalling number of sexually abused children
who were routinely referred to the center, for therapy and Safe-House
interviews. And guess what? ORGANIZED PEDOPHILE RINGS WERE NEVER
MENTIONED--EVER! All the standard, official literature about pedophilia was
contained to sick individuals acting alone. I seriously doubt if that has
changed. The Johnny Gosch case and others like it were NEVER mentioned. And
we at the center were considered to be among cutting edge sexual abuse
specialists, educators and therapists. Rape Crisis centers and police
departments around the country should be buying box loads of your books. Are
they?
NOREEN: What we uncovered 22 years ago was that many pedophile rings are
operative in this country. No one wanted to hear this information at that
time. Now we hear it in the form of "human trafficking". We have a task
force created in Washington DC working on this very degree of "high crime".
My book is helpful for people, as this outlines from the beginning how
Johnny's kidnapping transpired and it will help others protect their
children.
CHARLENE: Why do you think so few American's know the truth about the Johnny
Gosch case? Why do you think organized pedophilia operates under-the-radar,
while depraved, lone nutters or sick relatives who commit single or serial
acts of pedophilia are splashed all over the mainstream tabloids and
newspapers?
NOREEN: It may appear that many people do not know about Johnny's case but
there has been visitors from all over the world to my
website.... www.johnnygosch.com. Some of the countries were France, England,
Japan, China, Russia, Argentina, Greece, Italy, not to mention all over the
United States. It is not in the main stream media now because it is not a
"new case". During the early years there was a lot of press coverage, but
older cases have to move over to make room for the new ones.
CHARLENE: Do you know how high up in government and corporate circles the
pedophile ring Larry King was operating reached?
NOREEN: I only know he had high political connections in the Republican
party and had "friends in high places" so to speak.
CHARLENE: From my research, it appears organized pedophilia is more rampant
than ever. It's international in scope, and it's a multi-billion dollar
growth industry. Please comment.
NOREEN: Pedophilia, kiddie porn and child prostitution is a multi-billion
dollar business. The only reason we have it to this degree is "supply and
demand and supply and demand". We have many high level wealthy pedophiles.
The only difference between a rich and poor pedophile is: The poor pedophile
must kidnap his own victims...while the rich one can afford to have his
victims brought to him." It sounds so simplistic but it is true.
CHARLENE: Was it John DeCamp who had informed you that after Larry King was
released from Federal Prison in 2001, he had a plum position waiting for him
somewhere within the ranks of the Republican Party? Larry King had been
famously characterized in the old days as: "the fastest rising black star in
the Republican Party." Often overlooked is the fact that King was found
guilty of financial crimes ONLY while he was head honcho at the Franklin
Community Credit Union. It's common knowledge that the Credit Union
collapsed due to massive financial irregularities, but it's uncommon
knowledge that King was never charged, and should have been, for his after
hours pedophile and money laundering activities while using the same credit
union as a front. So it would be no surprise to me if King had quietly
resumed his secret lifestyle as a pedophile kingpin, and is once again
living a life of privilege and power behind the scenes in Washington D.C.,
hosting late night pedophile parties in some elegant mansion along Embassy
Row, as he did before.
And then there's this:
According to the June 1989 "above the crease", SIZZLING front page article
in the Washington Times, and later verified in court by Paul Bonacci, the
White House has allegedly also hosted several of these "after hours"
parties. I've read that King has had close ties with Boy's Town since 1979.
I've heard through the grapevine that Larry King has recently met with Boys
Town officials from Omaha with plans to help
create another Boys Town on the outskirts of Washington, D.C.! And worse
yet, the project has progressed to the point of acquiring the permits
necessary to build the facility. Talk about an "Amber Alert"-- it takes my
breath away! Would you please comment on this relationship between Larry
King and Boys' Town, past and present?
NOREEN: We did learn within the last year that there are plans to build
another Boys Town outside of Washington DC, I can only speculate that King
is involved. He did go to Washington very shortly after his release from
prison in April 2001. Msgr. Hupp, former director of Boys Town, hired John
DeCamp to represent him, as he wanted to "tell everything he knew about Boys
Town, King and Franklin". Within a couple months Msgr. Hupp was dead. When I
met with him in 2004, he told me he was "afraid they were going to kill him
for what he knew". Now he too is gone. Hupp contacted DeCamp a few months
before he died. DeCamp said he died under unusual circumstances... I do not
know what they were.
CHARLENE: In February of 1999 in Lincoln Nebraska, you were questioned by
Plaintiff Paul Bonacci's attorney, John DeCamp, in the civil action Paul A.
Bonacci vs Lawrence E. King, with Judge Warren K. Urbom presiding, and you
revealed under oath the following :
"We have investigated, we have talked to so far 35 victims of this said
organization that took my son and is responsible for what happened to Paul,
and they can verify everything that has happened. What this story involves
is an elaborate function, I will say, that was an offshoot of a government
program. The MK-Ultra program was developed in the 1950s by the CIA. It was
used to help spy on other countries during the Cold War because they felt
that the other countries were spying on us."
(...)
"... there was a man by the name of Michael Aquino. He was in the military.
He had top Pentagon clearances. He was a pedophile. He was a Satanist. He's
founded the Temple of Set. And he was a close friend of Anton LaVey. The two
of them were very active in ritualistic sexual abuse. And they deferred
funding from this government program to use [in] this experimentation on
children. "...they deliberately split off the personalities of these
children into multiples, so that when they're questioned or put under oath
or questioned under lie detector, that unless the operator knows how to
question a multiple-personality disorder, they turn up with no evidence.
They used these kids to sexually compromise politicians or anyone else they
wish to have control of. This sounds so far out and so bizarre I had trouble
accepting it in the beginning myself until I was presented with the data. We
have the proof. In black and white."
Note: Noreen Gosch testimony culled from: Satanic subversion of the U.S.
Military, by Jeffrey Steinberg:
www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/satanic_subversion.htm
Your testimony serves as an eloquent summary of the Johnny Gosch case and as
a scathing indictment of government sponsored, pedophile operations. That's
why I included it as part of this interview. My question, Noreen, is - how
did Michael Aquino specifically fit into the Johnny Gosch kidnapping?
NOREEN: It was reported to me and given in Federal Court, February 1999, by
Paul Bonacci, that "Michael Aquino ... called the "Colonel" was in fact the
man who came to Iowa, paid the kidnappers for taking Johnny, then took
Johnny with him. This took place 14 days after the kidnapping. Bonacci
stated this under oath in Federal Court. Judge Urbom ruled Bonacci was
telling the truth.
CHARLENE: In your opinion why did Judge Urbom find Paul Bonacci and the
overall evidence John DeCamp presented to the court so compelling?
NOREEN: It was very surprising to us that Judge Urbom would allow this
process to take place, since he was the same Judge that stated he thought
Bonacci was nuts, not credible and not telling the truth. He did an "about
face" ...
CHARLENE: Any clues, guesses as to why Judge Urbom changed his mind so
abruptly? You certainly found Paul Bonacci credible. Why?
NOREEN: I have no idea why Judge Urbom changed his mind, it still baffles
all of us including John DeCamp. Paul Bonacci's information-- we have been
able to research, verify and prove the things he told us. This was done by a
private investigator that John De Camp hired years ago in 1989 through 2000.
CHARLENE: Could you connect the dots between brain wave frequencies, codes,
multi- personality disorder, and MK-ULTRA as it relates to organized
pedophilia?
NOREEN: The mind control works similar to hypnosis only to much deeper
levels. They program at Alpha, Beta, Theta and beyond to Omega level of
brain wave frequency the desired instructions for later use. During the
training/programming there is a technique where by the victim ... is split
and new personalities with identities are created for desired purposes. They
can be activated by a "key word, song, verbal suggestion" the mind control
victim will then go into what I would call an "automatic pilot" situation
and act out exactly what has been programmed in the individual.
CHARLENE: Was the program called Project Monarch? Didn't Bonacci's diary
contain pages and pages of codes?
NOREEN: Yes it was called Project Monarch and Bonacci had 4 or 5 diaries
with coding in it, step by step instructions on constructing a bomb etc. And
an account of all his abuses.
CHARLENE: Paul Bonacci won the case. Judge Urbom ruled that Lawrence E. King
was to pay Paul Bonacci one million dollars in damages. Although Mr. Bonacci
has yet to collect a penny of this hard won judgment, Paul Bonacci's court
victory, especially what he conveyed about his role in Johnny Gosch's
abduction, has given your investigation into Johnny's disappearance and
organized pedophilia more credibility. You've been in touch off and on with
Paul Bonacci since 1999. He's told you things about Johnny's appearance,
changes that Johnny has made to his person that are congruent with Jeff
Gannon's appearance. What did he tell you, and when? Are you still in touch
with him?
NOREEN: We are still periodically in touch with Bonacci, but he has not made
any reference to Gannon. He has stated he is in touch with Johnny, I believe
on a somewhat regular basis. From time to time he would give me messages
from Johnny. This was prior to Gannon appearing on the scene. Since
Gannongate... there has been no more info on Johnny from Bonacci.
CHARLENE: As part of the research for your book, Why Johnny Can't Come Home,
you invoked the FOIA (freedom of information act) and requested a paper
written by Michael Aquino called: "From PsyOps to
Mind War, the Success of Victory". The government refused your
request based on so-called NATIONAL SECURITY. I've read although Aquino's
paper was never officially published in any journals, it nevertheless
enjoyed a measure of popularity as, allegedly, it was widely circulated in
government/military circles. Fortunately, you managed to obtain a copy. What
was the relevance of this document to the Johnny Gosch case and perhaps to
all of us today?
NOREEN: This document written by Michael Aquino outlined the project of
using "mind controlling" techniques. It spelled out how it was to be done.
In researching for my book, I tried to access it as I had done with other
reports on the internet. I received a message saying I would have to file a
FOIA request. I filled out the paperwork, sent it and approximately 3 weeks
later I received a letter from the National Security Agency that it would be
a risk to National Security to release that information to me.
CHARLENE: Were these mind control techniques to be used on Americans? Who
was to administer the mind control and for what reason?
NOREEN: Yes, the mind control techniques were to be used on Americans, most
all of it was of military purposes ... they experimented on prisoners,
service men and branched out to runaway children, then finally kidnapping
children for this purpose.
CHARLENE: The "spookiest" story is how you procured that copy of Aquino's:
"From PsyOps to Mind War, the Success of Victory". It's beyond amazing how
the person who eventually sent you this document KNEW that you had been
trying to get a copy of it from the government. How could this information
leak out? Please explain.
NOREEN: Several weeks after receiving the letter from the NSA, I received a
phone call from Linda Blood
(former girlfriend of Aquino) she said "I understand you tried to get a copy
of a report written by Michael Aquino and instead got a letter from the
"NSA". I said "how would you know that"? She replied, "I know a lot of
things... would you like a copy, I have one and will mail it to you". She
did... and that is how I received it. I think Michael told her I had tried
to get and put her up to calling me for some reason.
CHARLENE: So now there is a devious scheme to steal your book. A Mr.
Zielinski is using the legal system to attempt to intimidate you and steal
your remaining book inventory, as well as seize the reprinting rights to
your self-published book: Why Johnny Can't Come Home. John Zielinski is a
published author of primarily books on the Amish. Where, when, and under
what circumstances did you FIRST meet Mr. Zielinski?
NOREEN: This is the most OUTRAGEOUS situation yet. To think someone would
try to take control of my book inventory and the reprint right is
unthinkable, not to mention the height of cruelty. This book is not a "big
money maker". It is not a Harry Potter type book with huge popularity. It is
a book designed to tell the story of my son, to help educate others and
protect children. The revenue keeps the expenses paid on the Johnny Gosch
Foundation and this idiot wants to try and take it from me. It is
unthinkable.
CHARLENE: When did Mr. Zielinski, first call you and ask you If you were
planning on writing a book about Johnny's abduction?
NOREEN: I first met Zielinski when he called our home and asked to do an
interview. He said he was a journalist. I did the interview just as I had
with many other journalists. I didn't hear from him again until Nov. 1999,
he began calling repeatedly to my office, asking when I was going to write
my book. I told him the book was in progress. I began writing my book in
1984.
CHARLENE: I find it odd that Mr. Zielinski contacted you and forthrightly
asked you if you were planning on covering information about the CIA created
MK-ULTRA program in your book. Why do you think an author of Amish books
would be so interested in MK-ULTRA?
NOREEN: Zielinski had a legal issue with Sutherland Publishing company in
Iowa. There was a court trial over the rights to a book on the Amish which
Zielinski claimed to have written. Sutherland won the case, a $25,000
judgment was placed against Zielinski and he was banned from ever publishing
another book in the State of Iowa under his own name. I think he just wanted
to "ride on the coat tails of the Johnny Gosch case". He did ask if I was
going to include info on the MK-ULTRA. I said yes... I have a great deal of
info on it.
CHARLENE: Is it accurate to say Mr. Zielinski was impressing you with his
ability to do research, extract information and cite sources from books in
his personal library about MK-ULTRA? He surely is no expert on MK-ULTRA.
Were these books out of print, extremely esoteric, or in some way not easily
available to you other than through him?
NOREEN: Zielinski said he had some more material on MK-ULTRA and thought it
should be included in the book. He offered to do some research on MK-ULTRA.
CHARLENE: How much material for your book on the subject of MK-ULTRA did he
actually provide?
NOREEN: He only provided a few paragraphs in a couple chapters. The info in
those paragraphs were taken from other books written by other authors, and I
listed credit to those authors for each entry in my book.
CHARLENE: And now he claims, in his lawsuit against you, that he wrote the
entire book for you and spent 12,000 hours on the project? How much research
time did he actually spend on your book?
NOREEN: His claims are absolutely absurd and a complete lie. I have many
witnesses to my statements and proof the book is mine. It is a chronological
account of my search for my son. It is my son, my story and my book. He only
worked a short time on the research. I have no idea where he drummed this
outrageous number of hours he claims to have spent on the project.
CHARLENE: Can you explain the payment or other compensation arrangement you
hammered out with Mr. Zielinski, including the remuneration he readily
agreed to. Am I correct in assuming Zielinski refused to put the agreement
in writing, although you had repeatedly requested a signed contract?
NOREEN: When Zielinski wanted to be involved in some research. I asked him
what he wanted for this. He said, "I only want my expenses covered while I
am in Des Moines". He also stated this before 5 witnesses. He refused to
sign any written agreement to this effect. I repeatedly asked him to sign an
agreement so we would be clear on this issue. I should have thrown him out
of my office right then. But I didn't know he had such sinister plan in the
back of his mind.
CHARLENE: Mr. Zielinski arrived to work with you at the end of May in 2000.
Your book was finished and sent to the publisher in September of 2000. You,
in fact, did the layout for your book by learning how to use the Pagemaker
program on your own. Yet, Mr. Zielinski proclaims that he did it all, he
wrote the entire book, he did the layout, and he originated the idea of
doing a book on Johnny Gosch's kidnapping in the first place. Last but not
least, he claims the book title was his idea, too. Please comment.
NOREEN: Yes, he is now going around telling anyone who will listen that he
did it all and the whole idea for the book was his. This again is another
example of an absurd lie. The book was started in 1983... within a couple
months after Johnny was kidnapped.... Decades before I ever heard of
Zielinski.
CHARLENE: Isn't it true, after Mr. Zielinski started working for you he
tried several times to take over the ENTIRE book project. It got so bad that
on one occasion you had to ask him to leave your home? You warned him that
you wouldn't work with him any longer if he continued to disregard the fact
that this was YOUR project and that it was YOUR book. Is that true? Then
what happened?
NOREEN: Yes, I did have to tell him to leave my home on several occasions.
He would begin to "yell and scream that he wanted me to do something a
certain way ... stating he was an expert because he authored books on the
Amish". I reminded him that it was "my son, my story and my book and if he
didn't settle down he had to get out of my home and the project". He also on
occasion would want to "rub my back, rub my feet, saying I should let him do
what he did best". That was the last straw... I told him to get out and stay
out. There was no way I was going to put up with that type of behavior in my
own home/office.
CHARLENE: In October of 2000, you were invited to be a guest speaker at a
National Private Investigators Conference, which, luckily for you, was to be
held in your hometown of Des Moines, Iowa. Mr. Zielinski found out about the
conference and wanted to attend as a guest, so you graciously arranged for
him to attend. The Johnny Gosh Story was slated to be the primary focus of
the conference, though not the only topic. NBC Dateline had agreed to film
the conference, which would have provided free national publicity for your
self-published book. The Johnny Gosh story would have finally received the
National attention it deserved. This kind of prime time TV exposure had the
potential to help countless other missing children and their hapless
families across America. Knowledge is power. Your book is a powerful
tool. So I'd say this was the chance of a lifetime. But something went
terribly wrong. And that something was Mr. Zielinski. Please explain.
NOREEN: Zielinski while sitting in the audience of this gathering of P.I's
began shouting comments to the moderator and speakers on stage. He was told
to keep quiet several times. He created a huge disturbance and it was
unfortunately being filmed by NBC Dateline. After his asinine performance,
Dateline informed me that they were pulling out of the project and they
would not do my story and I lost any chance of National publicity for my
book on TV
CHARLENE: Mr. Zielinski knowingly or unknowingly sabotaged your golden
opportunity with NBC Dateline. Yet even after that debacle, Mr. Zielinski
unexpectedly paid you a visit and presented you with a legal document to
sign--a demand letter. Wasn't he insisting that you owed him something like
$18,000? Never mind the fact that you had already paid out-of-pocket for his
living arrangements and food during the time he worked on your book-- per a
prearranged agreement! Adding insult to injury, he proceeded to casually
inform you he had a son, who will soon be graduating from law school. And
then he tells you, it was his son who had advised him that his legal rights
had been violated by you. Zielinski continued to intimidate you into signing
his spurious document, while you firmly stood your ground and politely
refused. I understand he also asked for copies of your book (to resell) and
you graciously said okay? Didn't your husband box about a $1000 worth
(retail) of books for Mr. Zielinski that night, which he accepted? Please
elaborate.
NOREEN: Zielinski's expenses were paid by me during the few months he was in
Des Moines, I worked nights after I worked on the book all day in order to
pay his expenses, plus my own bills. Zielinski has lied about every aspect
of his involvement on this project. He has in the past done this very thing
to another individual, John Swanson, a film/video maker. They worked
together on a video of Amish nature. Mr. Swanson was bilked for thousands of
dollars by Zielinski. Mr. Swanson has given us a full accounting of what
took place. Zielinski has made a life practice of living off of other
people. He has not held a job in 30 years... claims he is a full time
author, and it is beneath him to hold a job. He also informed me he is
invisible in this country concerning the IRS and Social Security
Administration. He has not filed or paid into SS in 30 years. I feel that
now he is 62 years of age, he intended to make me and the Johnny Gosch
Foundation his "401 K plan".
CHARLENE: That's the last you had heard from Mr. Zielinski, until out of the
blue in December 2004 you got a call from your attorney saying Mr. Zielinski
is suing you and we (you and your attorney) only have four days to respond.
Wisely, you requested that your attorney immediately ask for an extension,
as a four day time frame was out of the question. You knew it would have
been impossible to contact your witnesses, let alone prepare a defense on
such short notice. I understand your attorney told you he didn't believe
you'd get an extension and didn't want to ask for one. It was only due to
your insistence that your attorney reluctantly acquiesced and finally got
the extension. What were the key issues behind Zielinski's lawsuit? How much
was he asking for supposed damages.
NOREEN: Zielinski is now asking for $24,000 and they tried to settle out of
court for the remaining inventory and reprint rights. That is out of the
question and so is the $24,000. I lived up to my responsibility... I paid
all his expenses, food, and gave him books in 2000. Now he comes prancing in
with his son the "new lawyer" and goes after me in a law suit. I believe
this is probably his son's first case and they want to "clean up". He
somehow has repeated his lies so many times that he now believes them.
CHARLENE: Next your attorney phones to tell you Zielinski wants to settle
out of court. And this is where the story reminds me of an episode from the
Twilight Zone. Your attorney's reaction to the settlement offer and his
legal advice regarding the settlement is well, from a layman's perspective,
totally against your best interests legal and otherwise! And that's putting
it mildly. Explain the settlement offer, and include what you told your
attorney your final decision is about Zielinski's settlement offer, and your
attorney's reaction to your decision.
NOREEN: I was very disappointed that my attorney said it was a "good deal"
to give Zielinski the remainder of all my books and the reprint rights. The
only person it is a good deal for is Zielinski... it would but the Johnny
Gosch Foundation out of business. We have done good work for children for
the past 22 years and this was build on integrity and hard work by me. I can
not and will not allow Zielinski to that that away. My son's kidnapping
should stand for something good in this country. This is too important.
CHARLENE: Has your attorney finally seen the light?! If not-- I'd probably
fire him!
NOREEN: I am afraid he still feels the same way. I am working on another
strategy of my own.
CHARLENE: The depositions that were taken for Zielinski vs Gosch were done
on December 17th 2004. During the depositions you presented the plaintiff's
attorney with a document your husband had prepared and Mr. Zielinski had
signed in 2000. Please describe what the document contained.
NOREEN: Zielinski's attorney was shocked when my attorney presented the
document Zielinski signed on Oct. 30, 2000 in which he relinquished any/all
rights to the book or to represent me or the Johnny Gosch Foundation in any
way. We prepared this document and asked him to sign it after he made such
an ass out of himself at the Private Investigator's Conference. I wanted to
make it clear to him he could not go forth and represent me or the
foundation in any way shape or form.
CHARLENE: Although there are clearly similarities with Zielinski's past M.O
and what he's currently doing in your case, I also feel there is a major
distinction to be made. Books about the Amish have a strong appeal and a
strong niche following, especially illustrated books about Amish life
showcasing bucolic landscapes with horse drawn buggies, hearth cooked food,
handmade furniture and various other Amish crafts. A professionally
illustrated book about the Amish could readily translate into a steady
stream of income. Of course, I think Zielinski was chasing after money in
his previous book/video bilking schemes. But in your case, I think his
motive is slightly different. Why Johnny Can't Come Home isn't destined to
be a big money maker (although it should be). Your excellent book won't be
on many coffee tables in America. I'd venture to say most American's are not
ready to hear about organized pedophilia, let alone the fact that their
government, some well known politicians, the CIA, military and corporate
elites are not only operating these child, sex slave rings, but are
themselves pedophiles. So I think Mr. Zielinski has another motive here.
Yeah, he's still after money, but not by stealing the rights to your book so
he can sell it retail one book at a time. Have you considered the
possibility that Mr. Zielinski is a front man for a hidden third party that
has secretly hired Mr. Zielinski to acquire the rights to your book? This
hidden third party could agree to pay Mr. Zielinski handsomely for his
trouble, a lump sum that would garner him more money much faster than he
could ever hope to make off selling your book retail. The payoff for the
third party: They get to quash your book, to destroy it and forever keep it
from the public. Or, reprint the book and revise it--adding disinformation,
and misinformation--you get the picture. What do you think?
NOREEN: I totally agree with you and feel this is part of a much larger
act... to permanently get my book out of circulation. The very idea that
someone could drum up a lawsuit like this is an example why we need "reform"
concerning this {U.S. legal system} in our country. Anyone can sue anyone,
forcing the defendant to hire an attorney, pay thousands of dollars to
protect/defend themselves. This is wrong wrong and wrong. They say everyone
has their price and I feel Zielinski has been bought.
CHARLENE: In 1997 a miracle occurred. Johnny showed up at your apartment
with a friend and visited with you for several hours. He told you he had
escaped the sex-slave ring for the time being. He confided in you, and he
recounted what had actually happened to him after his abduction; he pleaded
with you to expose the people and the organization that had harmed him and
that continues to harm many other children. What are some of the key points
that Johnny shared with you that night? Did Johnny ask you to write a book
about his kidnapping and forced participation as a sex slave in an elite
controlled pedophile ring?
NOREEN: Johnny asked me to get his story out. Soon after he left that night,
I decided to begin to put all of my journals, notes and already written
chapters into book form. The time had come to tell Johnny's story. Johnny
was here in 1997, I began within a few weeks of his visit.... Zielinski
didn't contact me until Nov. 1999
CHARLENE: My sense is that you will NEVER give up your remaining book
inventory or your reprint rights to "Why Johnny Can't Come Home." However,
if it's true that there is a third party behind Zielinski and his
transparent legal maneuver to swindle you out of your book rights, and
ultimately to suppress the Johnny Gosch story once and for all--if that's
the case, I'm sure these folks have a huge war chest that could sustain a
long, drawn out legal battle. Unfortunately, more often than not, the one
with the most gold most often wins in our plutocratic legal system. This
institutionalized legal strategy of wearing out an opponent through
financial attrition has little to do with justice or truth. Add to this the
fact that ANYONE with BUCKS can sue anyone else for just about any reason,
real or imagined. And-- if an unscrupulous party with a large, legal war
chest brings a disingenuous legal action against a less financially endowed
party, the wealthy party will usually prevail, because the honest party
doesn't have the funds to defend themselves in our EXPENSIVE and cumbersome
legal system. This worries me in your case. Have you considered setting up a
legal fund, perhaps through your foundation, to help sustain you in what
could be a classic David vs Goliath legal struggle. Also, any breaking news
from the legal front?
NOREEN: I am not quite sure how I am going to handle the financial
situation. I will need the money to do so... in the past I have used most
all of my personal income and revenue from the book to continue the work for
children. I believe there will have to be some kind of "divine intervention"
to make things right in this situation. I have worked too hard for nearly 23
years.
CHARLENE: Enough is enough! Johnny, your beloved son was brutally
taken from you at the tender age of 12 years, and now, quite possibly, the
very same elite, pedophile cabal is trying to take away a huge part of your
life story and Johnny's story, thereby censoring what really happened to him
and why. It strikes me as yet another level of abduction-- a symbolic
kidnapping of Johnny, a theft of memory, or more accurately an attempt to
erase from the "public mind" any trace of Johnny Gosch. Talk about identity
theft!
NOREEN: Yes this is the worst kind of identity theft... I still
can't believe sometimes that he was taken right out of his neighborhood and
that all this has happened and now this law suit.
I keep receiving strength to go on but even I have limits to what I
can withstand. Unfortunately, so much of this a parent of a missing child
must bear alone.
CHARLENE: Are there any closing thoughts or comments you'd like to make? Is
there anything new on the legal front?
NOREEN: At this point I don't know what is going to transpire next.
There are a number of things taking place right now and I am not able to
comment on them just yet. It all involves information we are hoping to
develop.
CHARLENE: It's my hope that everyone who reads this interview will consider
supporting you and your noble cause, as well as defray your looming legal
expenses to keep the rights to your book, by visiting your website at:
www.johnnygosch.com and buying YOUR book or donating (or both) to the Johnny
Gosch Foundation.
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