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Sir Gilligan Horry
2010-10-27 20:59:29 UTC
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Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.


Satellites with various cameras and spectrums would know more details.


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bert
2010-10-28 13:04:18 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Satellites with various cameras and spectrums would know more details.
I'll have three Satellites please bar tender !
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I predict aliens will make a hole (vortex) in water. This will be done
in London's harbor. It sounds impossible,but aliens can create force
fields that make what we think as impossible is their reality,and
nothing they can not do. Best to keep in mind "impossible is
relative" To sum it up Their physics and science is beyond our
wildest dreams TreBert
Sir Gilligan Horry
2010-10-28 15:59:50 UTC
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Post by Sir Gilligan Horry
Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Satellites with various cameras and spectrums would know more details.
I'll have three Satellites please bar tender !
I predict aliens will make a hole (vortex) in water. This will be done
in London's harbor. It sounds impossible,but aliens can create force
fields that make what we think as impossible is their reality,and
nothing they can not do. Best to keep in mind "impossible is
relative" To sum it up Their physics and science is beyond our
wildest dreams TreBert
Sounds like something from the olde Codex Sinaiticus.

As for "wildest dreams", that's all at Dreamland ...

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Brad Guth
2010-10-28 16:51:06 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Satellites with various cameras and spectrums would know more details.
I'll have three Satellites please bar tender !
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I predict aliens will make a hole (vortex) in water. This will be done
in London's harbor. It sounds impossible,but aliens can create force
fields that make what we think as impossible is their reality,and
nothing they can not do. Best to keep in mind "impossible is
relative"  To sum it up Their physics and science is beyond our
wildest dreams   TreBert
ETs like those crazy Rothschild seans can supposedly make our planet
vanish or materialize as is or into anything they like. Problem is,
ETs are laughing about us so hard that they can't hardly stand up,
much less do interesting stuff. Perhaps some of those crop circles
are just what ET farts create when ignited.

~ BG
Hagar
2010-10-28 23:36:27 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Brad Guth
2010-10-31 00:07:47 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Bet you and all of your trailer park squatters can't do it, not even
close no matters how drunk you rednecks are.

~ BG
bert
2010-10-31 04:24:30 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Bet you and all of your trailer park squatters can't do it, not even
close no matters how drunk you rednecks are.
 ~ BG
Right you are BG the circles I viewed could not be done with boards on
your feet. Let them try to do it. The farmers claim it was done at
night. Lets see them do it in the dark. Some of the paterns I would
have trouble putting on paper. TreBert
Brad Guth
2010-10-31 04:46:06 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Bet you and all of your trailer park squatters can't do it, not even
close no matters how drunk you rednecks are.
 ~ BG
Right you are BG the circles I viewed could not be done with boards on
your feet. Let them try to do it. The farmers claim it was done at
night. Lets see them do it in the dark. Some of the paterns I would
have trouble putting on paper.  TreBert
Zero noise and absolutely no forensics indicating humans had made some
of those.

It's not that well equipped humans couldn't do it, although perfectly
silent and accomplished within one night (without lights of any kind)
is highly unlikely.

~ BG
Sir Gilligan Horry
2010-10-31 05:36:25 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Bet you and all of your trailer park squatters can't do it, not even
close no matters how drunk you rednecks are.
 ~ BG
Right you are BG the circles I viewed could not be done with boards on
your feet. Let them try to do it. The farmers claim it was done at
night. Lets see them do it in the dark. Some of the paterns I would
have trouble putting on paper.  TreBert
Zero noise and absolutely no forensics indicating humans had made some
of those.
It's not that well equipped humans couldn't do it, although perfectly
silent and accomplished within one night (without lights of any kind)
is highly unlikely.
~ BG
I do UFO research 17 hours a day 7 days a week
waiting for an Alien Abductee to say...
"Oh, after they probed me, they also said they
are the species of 57,812 species that damage crops with graffiti".

Hehe. Oh, well, I have heard of a woman that claims to have met blond
humanoids that fessed up to the practice, but true or not, who knows.




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Brad Guth
2010-10-31 17:07:58 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Bet you and all of your trailer park squatters can't do it, not even
close no matters how drunk you rednecks are.
~ BG
Right you are BG the circles I viewed could not be done with boards on
your feet. Let them try to do it. The farmers claim it was done at
night. Lets see them do it in the dark. Some of the paterns I would
have trouble putting on paper. TreBert
Zero noise and absolutely no forensics indicating humans had made some
of those.
It's not that well equipped humans couldn't do it, although perfectly
silent and accomplished within one night (without lights of any kind)
is highly unlikely.
~ BG
I do UFO research 17 hours a day 7 days a week
waiting for an Alien Abductee to say...
"Oh, after they probed me, they also said they
are the species of 57,812 species that damage crops with graffiti".
Hehe. Oh, well, I have heard of a woman that claims to have met blond
humanoids that fessed up to the practice, but true or not, who knows.
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ETs are just toying with us. Isn't that exactly what we're going to
do with any discovered species on another planet or moon, just before
we eat them?

~ BG
Sir Gilligan Horry
2010-10-31 22:40:22 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Bet you and all of your trailer park squatters can't do it, not even
close no matters how drunk you rednecks are.
~ BG
Right you are BG the circles I viewed could not be done with boards on
your feet. Let them try to do it. The farmers claim it was done at
night. Lets see them do it in the dark. Some of the paterns I would
have trouble putting on paper. TreBert
Zero noise and absolutely no forensics indicating humans had made some
of those.
It's not that well equipped humans couldn't do it, although perfectly
silent and accomplished within one night (without lights of any kind)
is highly unlikely.
~ BG
I do UFO research 17 hours a day 7 days a week
waiting for an Alien Abductee to say...
"Oh, after they probed me, they also said they
are the species of 57,812 species that damage crops with graffiti".
Hehe. Oh, well, I have heard of a woman that claims to have met blond
humanoids that fessed up to the practice, but true or not, who knows.
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ETs are just toying with us.
Yeah, those crap circles are just teasing us.

But, OK, sure if I quit UFO ET research
and studied crop circles full time
I might find codes and messages of
love in the Milky Way Galaxy, or something !
Post by Brad Guth
Isn't that exactly what we're going to
do with any discovered species on another planet or moon,
No way, not me, that's not my style.

I like intelligence.
I like beauty.
I like nice situations.
Something in my spirit wishes that for others.

(even though I have put myself in a lot of danger
with all my research and networking)
Post by Brad Guth
just before
we eat them?
Soon we won't even be eating pigs and cows.

I could even make Mcdonalds foods without meat.


P.S.
Darn it I mind-controlled myself into wanting Mcdonalds right now.

LOL :-> woo woo



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Brad Guth
2010-10-31 23:15:21 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Bet you and all of your trailer park squatters can't do it, not even
close no matters how drunk you rednecks are.
~ BG
Right you are BG the circles I viewed could not be done with boards on
your feet. Let them try to do it. The farmers claim it was done at
night. Lets see them do it in the dark. Some of the paterns I would
have trouble putting on paper. TreBert
Zero noise and absolutely no forensics indicating humans had made some
of those.
It's not that well equipped humans couldn't do it, although perfectly
silent and accomplished within one night (without lights of any kind)
is highly unlikely.
~ BG
I do UFO research 17 hours a day 7 days a week
waiting for an Alien Abductee to say...
"Oh, after they probed me, they also said they
are the species of 57,812 species that damage crops with graffiti".
Hehe. Oh, well, I have heard of a woman that claims to have met blond
humanoids that fessed up to the practice, but true or not, who knows.
___
Who's on Second
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ETs are just toying with us.
Yeah, those crap circles are just teasing us.
But, OK, sure if I quit UFO ET research
and studied crop circles full time
I might find codes and messages of
love in the Milky Way Galaxy, or something !
Post by Brad Guth
Isn't that exactly what we're going to
do with any discovered species on another planet or moon,
No way, not me, that's not my style.
I like intelligence.
I like beauty.
I like nice situations.
Something in my spirit wishes that for others.
(even though I have put myself in a lot of danger
with all my research and networking)
Post by Brad Guth
just before
we eat them?
Soon we won't even be eating pigs and cows.
I could even make Mcdonalds foods without meat.
P.S.
Darn it I mind-controlled myself into wanting Mcdonalds right now.
LOL  :->   woo woo
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According to those pesky Zionists Semites like our rabbi Saul Levy,
we'll be trying to force whatever ETs (no matters how intelligent)
into accepting our Jewish cult/cabal voodoo ways, or else.

~ BG
Dakota
2010-10-31 07:03:55 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Bet you and all of your trailer park squatters can't do it, not even
close no matters how drunk you rednecks are.
~ BG
Right you are BG the circles I viewed could not be done with boards on
your feet. Let them try to do it. The farmers claim it was done at
night. Lets see them do it in the dark. Some of the paterns I would
have trouble putting on paper. TreBert
Zero noise and absolutely no forensics indicating humans had made some
of those.
It's not that well equipped humans couldn't do it, although perfectly
silent and accomplished within one night (without lights of any kind)
is highly unlikely.
~ BG
Why would you imagine that there must be perfect silence? Why would you
suppose that no lights would be used? Are people monitoring all the
farmland on earth each night? With sufficient planning, a group of
resourceful people can accomplish quite a lot in a short time.

Which scenario do you think is the more likely?

1. That highly intelligent aliens traveled through space to our planet
to create images in our cropland in a way that humans can easily duplicate.

2. That a few drunken friends stomped a circle onto a field one night
and were amazed that many people were so impressed that they came up
with an extra-terrestrial explanation. Other clever people wanting to
get in on the gag drew more - and more elaborate - circles and took
advantage of technology to assist them.

How to Make a Crop Circle

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
Brad Guth
2010-10-31 17:11:05 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Bet you and all of your trailer park squatters can't do it, not even
close no matters how drunk you rednecks are.
  ~ BG
Right you are BG the circles I viewed could not be done with boards on
your feet. Let them try to do it. The farmers claim it was done at
night. Lets see them do it in the dark. Some of the paterns I would
have trouble putting on paper.  TreBert
Zero noise and absolutely no forensics indicating humans had made some
of those.
It's not that well equipped humans couldn't do it, although perfectly
silent and accomplished within one night (without lights of any kind)
is highly unlikely.
  ~ BG
Why would you imagine that there must be perfect silence? Why would you
suppose that no lights would be used? Are people monitoring all the
farmland on earth each night? With sufficient planning, a group of
resourceful people can accomplish quite a lot in a short time.
Which scenario do you think is the more likely?
1. That highly intelligent aliens traveled through space to our planet
to create images in our cropland in a way that humans can easily duplicate.
2. That a few drunken friends stomped a circle onto a field one night
and were amazed that many people were so impressed that they came up
with an extra-terrestrial explanation. Other clever people wanting to
get in on the gag drew more - and more elaborate - circles and took
advantage of technology to assist them.
How to Make a Crop Circle
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
Go right ahead and do one of those big and complex one, just to show
us how it's done without noise, lighting or any forensics of humans
whatsoever.

As I said, technically it's doable, though obviously not by the likes
of yourself or any of your friends that haven't mastered butt
wiping-101.

~ BG
Dakota
2010-10-31 19:25:04 UTC
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Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Bet you and all of your trailer park squatters can't do it, not even
close no matters how drunk you rednecks are.
~ BG
Right you are BG the circles I viewed could not be done with boards on
your feet. Let them try to do it. The farmers claim it was done at
night. Lets see them do it in the dark. Some of the paterns I would
have trouble putting on paper. TreBert
Zero noise and absolutely no forensics indicating humans had made some
of those.
It's not that well equipped humans couldn't do it, although perfectly
silent and accomplished within one night (without lights of any kind)
is highly unlikely.
~ BG
Why would you imagine that there must be perfect silence? Why would you
suppose that no lights would be used? Are people monitoring all the
farmland on earth each night? With sufficient planning, a group of
resourceful people can accomplish quite a lot in a short time.
Which scenario do you think is the more likely?
1. That highly intelligent aliens traveled through space to our planet
to create images in our cropland in a way that humans can easily duplicate.
2. That a few drunken friends stomped a circle onto a field one night
and were amazed that many people were so impressed that they came up
with an extra-terrestrial explanation. Other clever people wanting to
get in on the gag drew more - and more elaborate - circles and took
advantage of technology to assist them.
How to Make a Crop Circle
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
Go right ahead and do one of those big and complex one, just to show
us how it's done without noise, lighting or any forensics of humans
whatsoever.
As I said, technically it's doable, though obviously not by the likes
of yourself or any of your friends that haven't mastered butt
wiping-101.
~ BG
Did you really think through your claim that there is no 'forensics of
humans whatsoever' in a farmer's field? Do the aliens remove all traces
of human occupancy during their circle making visits?

On what do you base your claim that it's done without noise or lighting.

If you can't come up with the bases for your claims, feel free to
confirm your failure by resorting to childish 'butt-wiping' comments again.
Brad Guth
2010-10-31 21:18:35 UTC
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Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Bet you and all of your trailer park squatters can't do it, not even
close no matters how drunk you rednecks are.
   ~ BG
Right you are BG the circles I viewed could not be done with boards on
your feet. Let them try to do it. The farmers claim it was done at
night. Lets see them do it in the dark. Some of the paterns I would
have trouble putting on paper.  TreBert
Zero noise and absolutely no forensics indicating humans had made some
of those.
It's not that well equipped humans couldn't do it, although perfectly
silent and accomplished within one night (without lights of any kind)
is highly unlikely.
   ~ BG
Why would you imagine that there must be perfect silence? Why would you
suppose that no lights would be used? Are people monitoring all the
farmland on earth each night? With sufficient planning, a group of
resourceful people can accomplish quite a lot in a short time.
Which scenario do you think is the more likely?
1. That highly intelligent aliens traveled through space to our planet
to create images in our cropland in a way that humans can easily duplicate.
2. That a few drunken friends stomped a circle onto a field one night
and were amazed that many people were so impressed that they came up
with an extra-terrestrial explanation. Other clever people wanting to
get in on the gag drew more - and more elaborate - circles and took
advantage of technology to assist them.
How to Make a Crop Circle
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
Go right ahead and do one of those big and complex one, just to show
us how it's done without noise, lighting or any forensics of humans
whatsoever.
As I said, technically it's doable, though obviously not by the likes
of yourself or any of your friends that haven't mastered butt
wiping-101.
  ~ BG
Did you really think through your claim that there is no 'forensics of
humans whatsoever' in a farmer's field? Do the aliens remove all traces
of human occupancy during their circle making visits?
On what do you base your claim that it's done without noise or lighting.
If you can't come up with the bases for your claims, feel free to
confirm your failure by resorting to childish 'butt-wiping' comments again.
Did you really fail to read and comprehend?

What if just 1% of those crop circles were ET/UFO produced? Would
that still be insufficient proof of their existence?

Are you actually suggesting that all 100% of those crop patterns have
to be ET created, or else nothing counts?

~ BG
Dakota
2010-11-01 00:23:32 UTC
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Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Bet you and all of your trailer park squatters can't do it, not even
close no matters how drunk you rednecks are.
~ BG
Right you are BG the circles I viewed could not be done with boards on
your feet. Let them try to do it. The farmers claim it was done at
night. Lets see them do it in the dark. Some of the paterns I would
have trouble putting on paper. TreBert
Zero noise and absolutely no forensics indicating humans had made some
of those.
It's not that well equipped humans couldn't do it, although perfectly
silent and accomplished within one night (without lights of any kind)
is highly unlikely.
~ BG
Why would you imagine that there must be perfect silence? Why would you
suppose that no lights would be used? Are people monitoring all the
farmland on earth each night? With sufficient planning, a group of
resourceful people can accomplish quite a lot in a short time.
Which scenario do you think is the more likely?
1. That highly intelligent aliens traveled through space to our planet
to create images in our cropland in a way that humans can easily duplicate.
2. That a few drunken friends stomped a circle onto a field one night
and were amazed that many people were so impressed that they came up
with an extra-terrestrial explanation. Other clever people wanting to
get in on the gag drew more - and more elaborate - circles and took
advantage of technology to assist them.
How to Make a Crop Circle
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
Go right ahead and do one of those big and complex one, just to show
us how it's done without noise, lighting or any forensics of humans
whatsoever.
As I said, technically it's doable, though obviously not by the likes
of yourself or any of your friends that haven't mastered butt
wiping-101.
~ BG
Did you really think through your claim that there is no 'forensics of
humans whatsoever' in a farmer's field? Do the aliens remove all traces
of human occupancy during their circle making visits?
On what do you base your claim that it's done without noise or lighting.
If you can't come up with the bases for your claims, feel free to
confirm your failure by resorting to childish 'butt-wiping' comments again.
Did you really fail to read and comprehend?
What if just 1% of those crop circles were ET/UFO produced? Would
that still be insufficient proof of their existence?
Are you actually suggesting that all 100% of those crop patterns have
to be ET created, or else nothing counts?
~ BG
Twice I've asked you to explain why there would be no sounds or light.
Twice you've evaded the question. The first time by immature name
calling. This time by trying to shift the burden of proof to me when it
is you who are making the preposterous claims.

Congratulations. You've got me to respond three times. You get a troll
award. Bye now.
Brad Guth
2010-11-01 00:36:37 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Bet you and all of your trailer park squatters can't do it, not even
close no matters how drunk you rednecks are.
    ~ BG
Right you are BG the circles I viewed could not be done with boards on
your feet. Let them try to do it. The farmers claim it was done at
night. Lets see them do it in the dark. Some of the paterns I would
have trouble putting on paper.  TreBert
Zero noise and absolutely no forensics indicating humans had made some
of those.
It's not that well equipped humans couldn't do it, although perfectly
silent and accomplished within one night (without lights of any kind)
is highly unlikely.
    ~ BG
Why would you imagine that there must be perfect silence? Why would you
suppose that no lights would be used? Are people monitoring all the
farmland on earth each night? With sufficient planning, a group of
resourceful people can accomplish quite a lot in a short time.
Which scenario do you think is the more likely?
1. That highly intelligent aliens traveled through space to our planet
to create images in our cropland in a way that humans can easily duplicate.
2. That a few drunken friends stomped a circle onto a field one night
and were amazed that many people were so impressed that they came up
with an extra-terrestrial explanation. Other clever people wanting to
get in on the gag drew more - and more elaborate - circles and took
advantage of technology to assist them.
How to Make a Crop Circle
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
Go right ahead and do one of those big and complex one, just to show
us how it's done without noise, lighting or any forensics of humans
whatsoever.
As I said, technically it's doable, though obviously not by the likes
of yourself or any of your friends that haven't mastered butt
wiping-101.
   ~ BG
Did you really think through your claim that there is no 'forensics of
humans whatsoever' in a farmer's field? Do the aliens remove all traces
of human occupancy during their circle making visits?
On what do you base your claim that it's done without noise or lighting.
If you can't come up with the bases for your claims, feel free to
confirm your failure by resorting to childish 'butt-wiping' comments again.
Did you really fail to read and comprehend?
What if just 1% of those crop circles were ET/UFO produced?  Would
that still be insufficient proof of their existence?
Are you actually suggesting that all 100% of those crop patterns have
to be ET created, or else nothing counts?
  ~ BG
Twice I've asked you to explain why there would be no sounds or light.
Twice you've evaded the question. The first time by immature name
calling. This time by trying to shift the burden of proof to me when it
is you who are making the preposterous claims.
Congratulations. You've got me to respond three times. You get a troll
award. Bye now.
Make all the noise and light you like, although few if any of those
reported as serious ET/UFO creations seem to have suddenly
materialized along with that sort of condition.

Are we saying something like this; if you're packing a serious wad of
loot and only one of those dollars is counterfeit, that all the loot
is counterfeit or bogus?

It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created. Good for you.

~ BG
dmaster
2010-11-02 17:51:37 UTC
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Post by Brad Guth
It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created.  Good for you.
 ~ BG
Of course not. But the big reason for supporting the ET hypothesis,
was the claim that humans could not have created the crop circles.
However, since it has been shown that humans did create many of the
circles and could have created any of them, there is no longer any
valid reason to support the ET hypothesis. The claim is not that all
*must* have been human created, but rather that there is no good
reason to think that any *weren't* human created.

Dan (Woj...)
Dakota
2010-11-02 18:08:32 UTC
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Post by dmaster
...
Post by Brad Guth
It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created. Good for you.
~ BG
Of course not. But the big reason for supporting the ET hypothesis,
was the claim that humans could not have created the crop circles.
However, since it has been shown that humans did create many of the
circles and could have created any of them, there is no longer any
valid reason to support the ET hypothesis. The claim is not that all
*must* have been human created, but rather that there is no good
reason to think that any *weren't* human created.
Dan (Woj...)
Similarly, claims of miraculous cures only mention afflictions that
could have gone into remission by natural means. There is no reason to
think that supernatural means were the cause of any such cure. Skeptic
will be eager to revisit such claims when an amputee regrows a lost limb
as a result of supernatural intervention.
Brad Guth
2010-11-02 18:54:00 UTC
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...
Post by Brad Guth
It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created.  Good for you.
 ~ BG
Of course not.  But the big reason for supporting the ET hypothesis,
was the claim that humans could not have created the crop circles.
However, since it has been shown that humans did create many of the
circles and could have created any of them, there is no longer any
valid reason to support the ET hypothesis.  The claim is not that all
*must* have been human created, but rather that there is no good
reason to think that any *weren't* human created.
Dan (Woj...)
Just because one method or notion of disqualify human made crop
circles is poorly conceived or inaccurate, doesn't mean that all crop
circles are human hoax creations.

Are you saying that ETs wouldn't have any sense of humor?

Are you suggesting that any technology better than ours doesn't exist?

Point is, complex patterns of such terrific scale and complexity are
not humanly possible in the dead of one night, unless lots of forensic
evidence and the occasional witness is included.

The best known humanly created patterns of any similar scale included
lots of their forensics as proof-positive of their terrestrial based
creators. So, yes, we humans can be very good at fooling others (such
as Muslims having WMD), but only by including butt-loads of denial and
obfuscation(evidence exclusion).

After more than a million innocent dead and having cost the word
trillions (setting humanity back by a good century of where we could
have been), do you still think Muslims had any of those WMD?

How much of whatever government officials are telling us is complete
and 100% believable?

~ BG
Dakota
2010-11-02 21:27:53 UTC
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Post by Brad Guth
Post by dmaster
...
Post by Brad Guth
It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created. Good for you.
~ BG
Of course not. But the big reason for supporting the ET hypothesis,
was the claim that humans could not have created the crop circles.
However, since it has been shown that humans did create many of the
circles and could have created any of them, there is no longer any
valid reason to support the ET hypothesis. The claim is not that all
*must* have been human created, but rather that there is no good
reason to think that any *weren't* human created.
Dan (Woj...)
Just because one method or notion of disqualify human made crop
circles is poorly conceived or inaccurate, doesn't mean that all crop
circles are human hoax creations.
Are you saying that ETs wouldn't have any sense of humor?
Are you suggesting that any technology better than ours doesn't exist?
Point is, complex patterns of such terrific scale and complexity are
not humanly possible in the dead of one night, unless lots of forensic
evidence and the occasional witness is included.
The best known humanly created patterns of any similar scale included
lots of their forensics as proof-positive of their terrestrial based
creators. So, yes, we humans can be very good at fooling others (such
as Muslims having WMD), but only by including butt-loads of denial and
obfuscation(evidence exclusion).
After more than a million innocent dead and having cost the word
trillions (setting humanity back by a good century of where we could
have been), do you still think Muslims had any of those WMD?
How much of whatever government officials are telling us is complete
and 100% believable?
~ BG
We cannot rule out the possibility that a crop circle could have been
made by an extraterrestrial visitor. However, because there is no
evidence for any ET involvement, there is no reason to believe that any
crop circle has been made by one. Is there any reason to believe that
highly advanced ETs would only do things that humans can easily
duplicate? Why would they not decorate the moon or Mars?

I am pleased to see you've abandoned your claim that silence and
darkness are required. As for your lack of forensics claim, you have
never yet provided anything that backs up the claim.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Brad Guth
2010-11-02 21:55:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
...
Post by Brad Guth
It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created.  Good for you.
  ~ BG
Of course not.  But the big reason for supporting the ET hypothesis,
was the claim that humans could not have created the crop circles.
However, since it has been shown that humans did create many of the
circles and could have created any of them, there is no longer any
valid reason to support the ET hypothesis.  The claim is not that all
*must* have been human created, but rather that there is no good
reason to think that any *weren't* human created.
Dan (Woj...)
Just because one method or notion of disqualify human made crop
circles is poorly conceived or inaccurate, doesn't mean that all crop
circles are human hoax creations.
Are you saying that ETs wouldn't have any sense of humor?
Are you suggesting that any technology better than ours doesn't exist?
Point is, complex patterns of such terrific scale and complexity are
not humanly possible in the dead of one night, unless lots of forensic
evidence and the occasional witness is included.
The best known humanly created patterns of any similar scale included
lots of their forensics as proof-positive of their terrestrial based
creators.  So, yes, we humans can be very good at fooling others (such
as Muslims having WMD), but only by including butt-loads of denial and
obfuscation(evidence exclusion).
After more than a million innocent dead and having cost the word
trillions (setting humanity back by a good century of where we could
have been), do you still think Muslims had any of those WMD?
How much of whatever government officials are telling us is complete
and 100% believable?
  ~ BG
We cannot rule out the possibility that a crop circle could have been
made by an extraterrestrial visitor. However, because there is no
evidence for any ET involvement, there is no reason to believe that any
crop circle has been made by one. Is there any reason to believe that
highly advanced ETs would only do things that humans can easily
duplicate? Why would they not decorate the moon or Mars?
If there were voodoo snookered and otherwise dumbfounded humans on the
moon or Mars, I'm sure they'd give either of those a try
Post by Dakota
I am pleased to see you've abandoned your claim that silence and
darkness are required. As for your lack of forensics claim, you have
never yet provided anything that backs up the claim.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I never stipulated any such thing, as "required". However, you
haven't provided one example of any similarly large and complex crop
circle that has offered zero human forensics or no other evidence of
terrestrial creation after being accomplished within one nighttime,
and supposedly not having one witness or leak as to anything unusual.

As I said, with unlimited funding and our best technology via DARPA,
MI6 and those Skull and Bones cult members that all have more money
than brains, I'm certain it could be accomplished, say for a few
million dollars each because of the complex logistics and wide area
secrecy requirements. Sadly, there's no such evidence for that, so
perhaps those agencies do not exist either. How's that?

If you can't prove who or what created those large and complex crop
circles, much less demonstrate as to how such can be created within
one nighttime and always unnoticed by anyone, then it's you that needs
to explain things.

Perhaps Muslims and OBL are creating them, because we can't seem to
locate OBL and his personal guard, not even using using more than a
trillion dollars worth of satellites capable of reading newsprint from
orbit and/or SAR imaging that'll easily detect any nighttime human
that's messing around in a large field of whatever crops.

~ BG
Dakota
2010-11-03 01:29:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
Post by dmaster
...
Post by Brad Guth
It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created. Good for you.
~ BG
Of course not. But the big reason for supporting the ET hypothesis,
was the claim that humans could not have created the crop circles.
However, since it has been shown that humans did create many of the
circles and could have created any of them, there is no longer any
valid reason to support the ET hypothesis. The claim is not that all
*must* have been human created, but rather that there is no good
reason to think that any *weren't* human created.
Dan (Woj...)
Just because one method or notion of disqualify human made crop
circles is poorly conceived or inaccurate, doesn't mean that all crop
circles are human hoax creations.
Are you saying that ETs wouldn't have any sense of humor?
Are you suggesting that any technology better than ours doesn't exist?
Point is, complex patterns of such terrific scale and complexity are
not humanly possible in the dead of one night, unless lots of forensic
evidence and the occasional witness is included.
The best known humanly created patterns of any similar scale included
lots of their forensics as proof-positive of their terrestrial based
creators. So, yes, we humans can be very good at fooling others (such
as Muslims having WMD), but only by including butt-loads of denial and
obfuscation(evidence exclusion).
After more than a million innocent dead and having cost the word
trillions (setting humanity back by a good century of where we could
have been), do you still think Muslims had any of those WMD?
How much of whatever government officials are telling us is complete
and 100% believable?
~ BG
We cannot rule out the possibility that a crop circle could have been
made by an extraterrestrial visitor. However, because there is no
evidence for any ET involvement, there is no reason to believe that any
crop circle has been made by one. Is there any reason to believe that
highly advanced ETs would only do things that humans can easily
duplicate? Why would they not decorate the moon or Mars?
If there were voodoo snookered and otherwise dumbfounded humans on the
moon or Mars, I'm sure they'd give either of those a try
Post by Dakota
I am pleased to see you've abandoned your claim that silence and
darkness are required. As for your lack of forensics claim, you have
never yet provided anything that backs up the claim.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I never stipulated any such thing, as "required". However, you
haven't provided one example of any similarly large and complex crop
circle that has offered zero human forensics or no other evidence of
terrestrial creation after being accomplished within one nighttime,
and supposedly not having one witness or leak as to anything unusual.
There is no reason to believe that a crop circle with no forensic
evidence of humans exists anywhere on Earth. It is your claim not mine.
For such a circle to exist, all traces of the farm workers and other
humans who visited the field in the past would have to have been removed
from the site. If that is what you claimed occurred, please furnish the
location of the site and any available documentation supporting that
claim. If you have another explanation for the absence of trace evidence
of humans, please furnish it.
Post by Brad Guth
As I said, with unlimited funding and our best technology via DARPA,
MI6 and those Skull and Bones cult members that all have more money
than brains, I'm certain it could be accomplished, say for a few
million dollars each because of the complex logistics and wide area
secrecy requirements. Sadly, there's no such evidence for that, so
perhaps those agencies do not exist either. How's that?
If you can't prove who or what created those large and complex crop
circles, much less demonstrate as to how such can be created within
one nighttime and always unnoticed by anyone, then it's you that needs
to explain things.
Perhaps Muslims and OBL are creating them, because we can't seem to
locate OBL and his personal guard, not even using using more than a
trillion dollars worth of satellites capable of reading newsprint from
orbit and/or SAR imaging that'll easily detect any nighttime human
that's messing around in a large field of whatever crops.
~ BG
Brad Guth
2010-11-03 01:42:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
...
Post by Brad Guth
It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created.  Good for you.
   ~ BG
Of course not.  But the big reason for supporting the ET hypothesis,
was the claim that humans could not have created the crop circles.
However, since it has been shown that humans did create many of the
circles and could have created any of them, there is no longer any
valid reason to support the ET hypothesis.  The claim is not that all
*must* have been human created, but rather that there is no good
reason to think that any *weren't* human created.
Dan (Woj...)
Just because one method or notion of disqualify human made crop
circles is poorly conceived or inaccurate, doesn't mean that all crop
circles are human hoax creations.
Are you saying that ETs wouldn't have any sense of humor?
Are you suggesting that any technology better than ours doesn't exist?
Point is, complex patterns of such terrific scale and complexity are
not humanly possible in the dead of one night, unless lots of forensic
evidence and the occasional witness is included.
The best known humanly created patterns of any similar scale included
lots of their forensics as proof-positive of their terrestrial based
creators.  So, yes, we humans can be very good at fooling others (such
as Muslims having WMD), but only by including butt-loads of denial and
obfuscation(evidence exclusion).
After more than a million innocent dead and having cost the word
trillions (setting humanity back by a good century of where we could
have been), do you still think Muslims had any of those WMD?
How much of whatever government officials are telling us is complete
and 100% believable?
   ~ BG
We cannot rule out the possibility that a crop circle could have been
made by an extraterrestrial visitor. However, because there is no
evidence for any ET involvement, there is no reason to believe that any
crop circle has been made by one. Is there any reason to believe that
highly advanced ETs would only do things that humans can easily
duplicate? Why would they not decorate the moon or Mars?
If there were voodoo snookered and otherwise dumbfounded humans on the
moon or Mars, I'm sure they'd give either of those a  try
Post by Dakota
I am pleased to see you've abandoned your claim that silence and
darkness are required. As for your lack of forensics claim, you have
never yet provided anything that backs up the claim.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I never stipulated any such thing, as "required".  However, you
haven't provided one example of any similarly large and complex crop
circle that has offered zero human forensics or no other evidence of
terrestrial creation after being accomplished within one nighttime,
and supposedly not having one witness or leak as to anything unusual.
There is no reason to believe that a crop circle with no forensic
evidence of humans exists anywhere on Earth. It is your claim not mine.
For such a circle to exist, all traces of the farm workers and other
humans who visited the field in the past would have to have been removed
from the site. If that is what you claimed occurred, please furnish the
location of the site and any available documentation supporting that
claim. If you have another explanation for the absence of trace evidence
of humans, please furnish it.
Post by Brad Guth
As I said, with unlimited funding and our best technology via DARPA,
MI6 and those Skull and Bones cult members that all have more money
than brains, I'm certain it could be accomplished, say for a few
million dollars each because of the complex logistics and wide area
secrecy requirements.  Sadly, there's no such evidence for that, so
perhaps those agencies do not exist either.  How's that?
If you can't prove who or what created those large and complex crop
circles, much less demonstrate as to how such can be created within
one nighttime and always unnoticed by anyone, then it's you that needs
to explain things.
Perhaps Muslims and OBL are creating them, because we can't seem to
locate OBL and his personal guard, not even using using more than a
trillion dollars worth of satellites capable of reading newsprint from
orbit and/or SAR imaging that'll easily detect any nighttime human
that's messing around in a large field of whatever crops.
  ~ BG
You know exactly what I mean when I say "no trace forensic evidence of
any human involvement"

Obviously those fields of whatever crops offer their own level of
preexisting forensic evidence, which is entirely different than the
amount necessary from whomever individuals having just recently
accomplished the deed, and first morning after their having created a
given complex crop circle should offer an overwhelming amount of
evidence if such were purely terrestrial accomplished.

~ BG
Sir Gilligan Horry
2010-11-03 04:47:18 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:42:53 -0700 (PDT), Brad Guth
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
...
Post by Brad Guth
It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created.  Good for you.
   ~ BG
Of course not.  But the big reason for supporting the ET hypothesis,
was the claim that humans could not have created the crop circles.
However, since it has been shown that humans did create many of the
circles and could have created any of them, there is no longer any
valid reason to support the ET hypothesis.  The claim is not that all
*must* have been human created, but rather that there is no good
reason to think that any *weren't* human created.
Dan (Woj...)
Just because one method or notion of disqualify human made crop
circles is poorly conceived or inaccurate, doesn't mean that all crop
circles are human hoax creations.
Are you saying that ETs wouldn't have any sense of humor?
Are you suggesting that any technology better than ours doesn't exist?
Point is, complex patterns of such terrific scale and complexity are
not humanly possible in the dead of one night, unless lots of forensic
evidence and the occasional witness is included.
The best known humanly created patterns of any similar scale included
lots of their forensics as proof-positive of their terrestrial based
creators.  So, yes, we humans can be very good at fooling others (such
as Muslims having WMD), but only by including butt-loads of denial and
obfuscation(evidence exclusion).
After more than a million innocent dead and having cost the word
trillions (setting humanity back by a good century of where we could
have been), do you still think Muslims had any of those WMD?
How much of whatever government officials are telling us is complete
and 100% believable?
   ~ BG
We cannot rule out the possibility that a crop circle could have been
made by an extraterrestrial visitor. However, because there is no
evidence for any ET involvement, there is no reason to believe that any
crop circle has been made by one. Is there any reason to believe that
highly advanced ETs would only do things that humans can easily
duplicate? Why would they not decorate the moon or Mars?
If there were voodoo snookered and otherwise dumbfounded humans on the
moon or Mars, I'm sure they'd give either of those a  try
Post by Dakota
I am pleased to see you've abandoned your claim that silence and
darkness are required. As for your lack of forensics claim, you have
never yet provided anything that backs up the claim.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I never stipulated any such thing, as "required".  However, you
haven't provided one example of any similarly large and complex crop
circle that has offered zero human forensics or no other evidence of
terrestrial creation after being accomplished within one nighttime,
and supposedly not having one witness or leak as to anything unusual.
There is no reason to believe that a crop circle with no forensic
evidence of humans exists anywhere on Earth. It is your claim not mine.
For such a circle to exist, all traces of the farm workers and other
humans who visited the field in the past would have to have been removed
from the site. If that is what you claimed occurred, please furnish the
location of the site and any available documentation supporting that
claim. If you have another explanation for the absence of trace evidence
of humans, please furnish it.
Post by Brad Guth
As I said, with unlimited funding and our best technology via DARPA,
MI6 and those Skull and Bones cult members that all have more money
than brains, I'm certain it could be accomplished, say for a few
million dollars each because of the complex logistics and wide area
secrecy requirements.  Sadly, there's no such evidence for that, so
perhaps those agencies do not exist either.  How's that?
If you can't prove who or what created those large and complex crop
circles, much less demonstrate as to how such can be created within
one nighttime and always unnoticed by anyone, then it's you that needs
to explain things.
Perhaps Muslims and OBL are creating them, because we can't seem to
locate OBL and his personal guard, not even using using more than a
trillion dollars worth of satellites capable of reading newsprint from
orbit and/or SAR imaging that'll easily detect any nighttime human
that's messing around in a large field of whatever crops.
  ~ BG
You know exactly what I mean when I say "no trace forensic evidence of
any human involvement"
Obviously those fields of whatever crops offer their own level of
preexisting forensic evidence, which is entirely different than the
amount necessary from whomever individuals having just recently
accomplished the deed, and first morning after their having created a
given complex crop circle should offer an overwhelming amount of
evidence if such were purely terrestrial accomplished.
~ BG
I know

I know

I am supposed to be reading down here.

But, could I just have a bit of Land first ?

Please.


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Dakota
2010-11-03 03:54:33 UTC
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Post by Brad Guth
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
Post by dmaster
...
Post by Brad Guth
It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created. Good for you.
~ BG
Of course not. But the big reason for supporting the ET hypothesis,
was the claim that humans could not have created the crop circles.
However, since it has been shown that humans did create many of the
circles and could have created any of them, there is no longer any
valid reason to support the ET hypothesis. The claim is not that all
*must* have been human created, but rather that there is no good
reason to think that any *weren't* human created.
Dan (Woj...)
Just because one method or notion of disqualify human made crop
circles is poorly conceived or inaccurate, doesn't mean that all crop
circles are human hoax creations.
Are you saying that ETs wouldn't have any sense of humor?
Are you suggesting that any technology better than ours doesn't exist?
Point is, complex patterns of such terrific scale and complexity are
not humanly possible in the dead of one night, unless lots of forensic
evidence and the occasional witness is included.
The best known humanly created patterns of any similar scale included
lots of their forensics as proof-positive of their terrestrial based
creators. So, yes, we humans can be very good at fooling others (such
as Muslims having WMD), but only by including butt-loads of denial and
obfuscation(evidence exclusion).
After more than a million innocent dead and having cost the word
trillions (setting humanity back by a good century of where we could
have been), do you still think Muslims had any of those WMD?
How much of whatever government officials are telling us is complete
and 100% believable?
~ BG
We cannot rule out the possibility that a crop circle could have been
made by an extraterrestrial visitor. However, because there is no
evidence for any ET involvement, there is no reason to believe that any
crop circle has been made by one. Is there any reason to believe that
highly advanced ETs would only do things that humans can easily
duplicate? Why would they not decorate the moon or Mars?
If there were voodoo snookered and otherwise dumbfounded humans on the
moon or Mars, I'm sure they'd give either of those a try
Post by Dakota
I am pleased to see you've abandoned your claim that silence and
darkness are required. As for your lack of forensics claim, you have
never yet provided anything that backs up the claim.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I never stipulated any such thing, as "required". However, you
haven't provided one example of any similarly large and complex crop
circle that has offered zero human forensics or no other evidence of
terrestrial creation after being accomplished within one nighttime,
and supposedly not having one witness or leak as to anything unusual.
There is no reason to believe that a crop circle with no forensic
evidence of humans exists anywhere on Earth. It is your claim not mine.
For such a circle to exist, all traces of the farm workers and other
humans who visited the field in the past would have to have been removed
from the site. If that is what you claimed occurred, please furnish the
location of the site and any available documentation supporting that
claim. If you have another explanation for the absence of trace evidence
of humans, please furnish it.
Post by Brad Guth
As I said, with unlimited funding and our best technology via DARPA,
MI6 and those Skull and Bones cult members that all have more money
than brains, I'm certain it could be accomplished, say for a few
million dollars each because of the complex logistics and wide area
secrecy requirements. Sadly, there's no such evidence for that, so
perhaps those agencies do not exist either. How's that?
If you can't prove who or what created those large and complex crop
circles, much less demonstrate as to how such can be created within
one nighttime and always unnoticed by anyone, then it's you that needs
to explain things.
Perhaps Muslims and OBL are creating them, because we can't seem to
locate OBL and his personal guard, not even using using more than a
trillion dollars worth of satellites capable of reading newsprint from
orbit and/or SAR imaging that'll easily detect any nighttime human
that's messing around in a large field of whatever crops.
~ BG
You know exactly what I mean when I say "no trace forensic evidence of
any human involvement"
Obviously those fields of whatever crops offer their own level of
preexisting forensic evidence, which is entirely different than the
amount necessary from whomever individuals having just recently
accomplished the deed, and first morning after their having created a
given complex crop circle should offer an overwhelming amount of
evidence if such were purely terrestrial accomplished.
~ BG
Your claim was "zero human forensics." I'm pleased that you have now
abandoned that claim along with claims of silence and darkness. We are
making progress.

Okay. Give me an example of a location you claim a complex circle has
'appeared' with no 'forensic' evidence that humans participated in it's
creation. Also include any available documentation supporting that claim.

I anxiously await your next evasion.
Brad Guth
2010-11-03 14:14:38 UTC
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Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
...
Post by Brad Guth
It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created.  Good for you.
    ~ BG
Of course not.  But the big reason for supporting the ET hypothesis,
was the claim that humans could not have created the crop circles.
However, since it has been shown that humans did create many of the
circles and could have created any of them, there is no longer any
valid reason to support the ET hypothesis.  The claim is not that all
*must* have been human created, but rather that there is no good
reason to think that any *weren't* human created.
Dan (Woj...)
Just because one method or notion of disqualify human made crop
circles is poorly conceived or inaccurate, doesn't mean that all crop
circles are human hoax creations.
Are you saying that ETs wouldn't have any sense of humor?
Are you suggesting that any technology better than ours doesn't exist?
Point is, complex patterns of such terrific scale and complexity are
not humanly possible in the dead of one night, unless lots of forensic
evidence and the occasional witness is included.
The best known humanly created patterns of any similar scale included
lots of their forensics as proof-positive of their terrestrial based
creators.  So, yes, we humans can be very good at fooling others (such
as Muslims having WMD), but only by including butt-loads of denial and
obfuscation(evidence exclusion).
After more than a million innocent dead and having cost the word
trillions (setting humanity back by a good century of where we could
have been), do you still think Muslims had any of those WMD?
How much of whatever government officials are telling us is complete
and 100% believable?
    ~ BG
We cannot rule out the possibility that a crop circle could have been
made by an extraterrestrial visitor. However, because there is no
evidence for any ET involvement, there is no reason to believe that any
crop circle has been made by one. Is there any reason to believe that
highly advanced ETs would only do things that humans can easily
duplicate? Why would they not decorate the moon or Mars?
If there were voodoo snookered and otherwise dumbfounded humans on the
moon or Mars, I'm sure they'd give either of those a  try
Post by Dakota
I am pleased to see you've abandoned your claim that silence and
darkness are required. As for your lack of forensics claim, you have
never yet provided anything that backs up the claim.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I never stipulated any such thing, as "required".  However, you
haven't provided one example of any similarly large and complex crop
circle that has offered zero human forensics or no other evidence of
terrestrial creation after being accomplished within one nighttime,
and supposedly not having one witness or leak as to anything unusual.
There is no reason to believe that a crop circle with no forensic
evidence of humans exists anywhere on Earth. It is your claim not mine.
For such a circle to exist, all traces of the farm workers and other
humans who visited the field in the past would have to have been removed
from the site. If that is what you claimed occurred, please furnish the
location of the site and any available documentation supporting that
claim. If you have another explanation for the absence of trace evidence
of humans, please furnish it.
Post by Brad Guth
As I said, with unlimited funding and our best technology via DARPA,
MI6 and those Skull and Bones cult members that all have more money
than brains, I'm certain it could be accomplished, say for a few
million dollars each because of the complex logistics and wide area
secrecy requirements.  Sadly, there's no such evidence for that, so
perhaps those agencies do not exist either.  How's that?
If you can't prove who or what created those large and complex crop
circles, much less demonstrate as to how such can be created within
one nighttime and always unnoticed by anyone, then it's you that needs
to explain things.
Perhaps Muslims and OBL are creating them, because we can't seem to
locate OBL and his personal guard, not even using using more than a
trillion dollars worth of satellites capable of reading newsprint from
orbit and/or SAR imaging that'll easily detect any nighttime human
that's messing around in a large field of whatever crops.
   ~ BG
You know exactly what I mean when I say "no trace forensic evidence of
any human involvement"
Obviously those fields of whatever crops offer their own level of
preexisting forensic evidence, which is entirely different than the
amount necessary from whomever individuals having just recently
accomplished the deed, and first morning after their having created a
given complex crop circle should offer an overwhelming amount of
evidence if such were purely terrestrial accomplished.
  ~ BG
Your claim was "zero human forensics." I'm pleased that you have now
abandoned that claim along with claims of silence and darkness. We are
making progress.
Okay. Give me an example of a location you claim a complex circle has
'appeared' with no 'forensic' evidence that humans participated in it's
creation. Also include any available documentation supporting that claim.
I anxiously await your next evasion.
This is not my topic, but then you claim all are terrestrial without
objective proof otherwise, so it's right back at you. It's put up or
shut up time.

If you can't prove that 100% of those crop circles are supposedly
human created, then you've got a ET invasion problem to resolve. So,
go right ahead and prove to us that all 100% of those are perfectly
terrestrial, because DARPA and MI6 as well as our CIA and NSA, as well
as many other national versions of the same or better expertise should
know exactly who, when and how, shouldn't they?

Are you suggesting that OBL or any number of his Muslim sleeper cells
are doing these? (because they seem to be the only ones capable of
remaining stealth and secretive enough)

~ BG
Dakota
2010-11-03 18:34:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
Post by dmaster
...
Post by Brad Guth
It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created. Good for you.
~ BG
Of course not. But the big reason for supporting the ET hypothesis,
was the claim that humans could not have created the crop circles.
However, since it has been shown that humans did create many of the
circles and could have created any of them, there is no longer any
valid reason to support the ET hypothesis. The claim is not that all
*must* have been human created, but rather that there is no good
reason to think that any *weren't* human created.
Dan (Woj...)
Just because one method or notion of disqualify human made crop
circles is poorly conceived or inaccurate, doesn't mean that all crop
circles are human hoax creations.
Are you saying that ETs wouldn't have any sense of humor?
Are you suggesting that any technology better than ours doesn't exist?
Point is, complex patterns of such terrific scale and complexity are
not humanly possible in the dead of one night, unless lots of forensic
evidence and the occasional witness is included.
The best known humanly created patterns of any similar scale included
lots of their forensics as proof-positive of their terrestrial based
creators. So, yes, we humans can be very good at fooling others (such
as Muslims having WMD), but only by including butt-loads of denial and
obfuscation(evidence exclusion).
After more than a million innocent dead and having cost the word
trillions (setting humanity back by a good century of where we could
have been), do you still think Muslims had any of those WMD?
How much of whatever government officials are telling us is complete
and 100% believable?
~ BG
We cannot rule out the possibility that a crop circle could have been
made by an extraterrestrial visitor. However, because there is no
evidence for any ET involvement, there is no reason to believe that any
crop circle has been made by one. Is there any reason to believe that
highly advanced ETs would only do things that humans can easily
duplicate? Why would they not decorate the moon or Mars?
If there were voodoo snookered and otherwise dumbfounded humans on the
moon or Mars, I'm sure they'd give either of those a try
Post by Dakota
I am pleased to see you've abandoned your claim that silence and
darkness are required. As for your lack of forensics claim, you have
never yet provided anything that backs up the claim.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I never stipulated any such thing, as "required". However, you
haven't provided one example of any similarly large and complex crop
circle that has offered zero human forensics or no other evidence of
terrestrial creation after being accomplished within one nighttime,
and supposedly not having one witness or leak as to anything unusual.
There is no reason to believe that a crop circle with no forensic
evidence of humans exists anywhere on Earth. It is your claim not mine.
For such a circle to exist, all traces of the farm workers and other
humans who visited the field in the past would have to have been removed
from the site. If that is what you claimed occurred, please furnish the
location of the site and any available documentation supporting that
claim. If you have another explanation for the absence of trace evidence
of humans, please furnish it.
Post by Brad Guth
As I said, with unlimited funding and our best technology via DARPA,
MI6 and those Skull and Bones cult members that all have more money
than brains, I'm certain it could be accomplished, say for a few
million dollars each because of the complex logistics and wide area
secrecy requirements. Sadly, there's no such evidence for that, so
perhaps those agencies do not exist either. How's that?
If you can't prove who or what created those large and complex crop
circles, much less demonstrate as to how such can be created within
one nighttime and always unnoticed by anyone, then it's you that needs
to explain things.
Perhaps Muslims and OBL are creating them, because we can't seem to
locate OBL and his personal guard, not even using using more than a
trillion dollars worth of satellites capable of reading newsprint from
orbit and/or SAR imaging that'll easily detect any nighttime human
that's messing around in a large field of whatever crops.
~ BG
You know exactly what I mean when I say "no trace forensic evidence of
any human involvement"
Obviously those fields of whatever crops offer their own level of
preexisting forensic evidence, which is entirely different than the
amount necessary from whomever individuals having just recently
accomplished the deed, and first morning after their having created a
given complex crop circle should offer an overwhelming amount of
evidence if such were purely terrestrial accomplished.
~ BG
Your claim was "zero human forensics." I'm pleased that you have now
abandoned that claim along with claims of silence and darkness. We are
making progress.
Okay. Give me an example of a location you claim a complex circle has
'appeared' with no 'forensic' evidence that humans participated in it's
creation. Also include any available documentation supporting that claim.
I anxiously await your next evasion.
This is not my topic, but then you claim all are terrestrial without
objective proof otherwise, so it's right back at you. It's put up or
shut up time.
If you can't prove that 100% of those crop circles are supposedly
human created, then you've got a ET invasion problem to resolve. So,
go right ahead and prove to us that all 100% of those are perfectly
terrestrial, because DARPA and MI6 as well as our CIA and NSA, as well
as many other national versions of the same or better expertise should
know exactly who, when and how, shouldn't they?
Are you suggesting that OBL or any number of his Muslim sleeper cells
are doing these? (because they seem to be the only ones capable of
remaining stealth and secretive enough)
~ BG
I didn't have to wait very long for your evasion. Thanks.
Brad Guth
2010-11-03 19:10:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
...
Post by Brad Guth
It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created.  Good for you.
     ~ BG
Of course not.  But the big reason for supporting the ET hypothesis,
was the claim that humans could not have created the crop circles.
However, since it has been shown that humans did create many of the
circles and could have created any of them, there is no longer any
valid reason to support the ET hypothesis.  The claim is not that all
*must* have been human created, but rather that there is no good
reason to think that any *weren't* human created.
Dan (Woj...)
Just because one method or notion of disqualify human made crop
circles is poorly conceived or inaccurate, doesn't mean that all crop
circles are human hoax creations.
Are you saying that ETs wouldn't have any sense of humor?
Are you suggesting that any technology better than ours doesn't exist?
Point is, complex patterns of such terrific scale and complexity are
not humanly possible in the dead of one night, unless lots of forensic
evidence and the occasional witness is included.
The best known humanly created patterns of any similar scale included
lots of their forensics as proof-positive of their terrestrial based
creators.  So, yes, we humans can be very good at fooling others (such
as Muslims having WMD), but only by including butt-loads of denial and
obfuscation(evidence exclusion).
After more than a million innocent dead and having cost the word
trillions (setting humanity back by a good century of where we could
have been), do you still think Muslims had any of those WMD?
How much of whatever government officials are telling us is complete
and 100% believable?
     ~ BG
We cannot rule out the possibility that a crop circle could have been
made by an extraterrestrial visitor. However, because there is no
evidence for any ET involvement, there is no reason to believe that any
crop circle has been made by one. Is there any reason to believe that
highly advanced ETs would only do things that humans can easily
duplicate? Why would they not decorate the moon or Mars?
If there were voodoo snookered and otherwise dumbfounded humans on the
moon or Mars, I'm sure they'd give either of those a  try
Post by Dakota
I am pleased to see you've abandoned your claim that silence and
darkness are required. As for your lack of forensics claim, you have
never yet provided anything that backs up the claim.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I never stipulated any such thing, as "required".  However, you
haven't provided one example of any similarly large and complex crop
circle that has offered zero human forensics or no other evidence of
terrestrial creation after being accomplished within one nighttime,
and supposedly not having one witness or leak as to anything unusual.
There is no reason to believe that a crop circle with no forensic
evidence of humans exists anywhere on Earth. It is your claim not mine.
For such a circle to exist, all traces of the farm workers and other
humans who visited the field in the past would have to have been removed
from the site. If that is what you claimed occurred, please furnish the
location of the site and any available documentation supporting that
claim. If you have another explanation for the absence of trace evidence
of humans, please furnish it.
Post by Brad Guth
As I said, with unlimited funding and our best technology via DARPA,
MI6 and those Skull and Bones cult members that all have more money
than brains, I'm certain it could be accomplished, say for a few
million dollars each because of the complex logistics and wide area
secrecy requirements.  Sadly, there's no such evidence for that, so
perhaps those agencies do not exist either.  How's that?
If you can't prove who or what created those large and complex crop
circles, much less demonstrate as to how such can be created within
one nighttime and always unnoticed by anyone, then it's you that needs
to explain things.
Perhaps Muslims and OBL are creating them, because we can't seem to
locate OBL and his personal guard, not even using using more than a
trillion dollars worth of satellites capable of reading newsprint from
orbit and/or SAR imaging that'll easily detect any nighttime human
that's messing around in a large field of whatever crops.
    ~ BG
You know exactly what I mean when I say "no trace forensic evidence of
any human involvement"
Obviously those fields of whatever crops offer their own level of
preexisting forensic evidence, which is entirely different than the
amount necessary from whomever individuals having just recently
accomplished the deed, and first morning after their having created a
given complex crop circle should offer an overwhelming amount of
evidence if such were purely terrestrial accomplished.
   ~ BG
Your claim was "zero human forensics." I'm pleased that you have now
abandoned that claim along with claims of silence and darkness. We are
making progress.
Okay. Give me an example of a location you claim a complex circle has
'appeared' with no 'forensic' evidence that humans participated in it's
creation. Also include any available documentation supporting that claim.
I anxiously await your next evasion.
This is not my topic, but then you claim all are terrestrial without
objective proof otherwise, so it's right back at you.  It's put up or
shut up time.
If you can't prove that 100% of those crop circles are supposedly
human created, then you've got a ET invasion problem to resolve.  So,
go right ahead and prove to us that all 100% of those are perfectly
terrestrial, because DARPA and MI6 as well as our CIA and NSA, as well
as many other national versions of the same or better expertise should
know exactly who, when and how, shouldn't they?
Are you suggesting that OBL or any number of his Muslim sleeper cells
are doing these? (because they seem to be the only ones capable of
remaining stealth and secretive enough)
  ~ BG
I didn't have to wait very long for your evasion. Thanks.
In other words, you can't prove that DARPA or MI6 exist, or much less
capable of pulling off any good crop circle ruse/sting. Figures (no
evasion intended by my part).

What's your best example of any large and complex crop circle as
having been created purely by multiple humans and their machines (day
or night)?

~ BG
george
2010-11-03 19:15:49 UTC
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http://www.circlemakers.org/
Brad Guth
2010-11-03 20:03:06 UTC
Permalink
 http://www.circlemakers.org/
Wow! what a perfectly crappy (nearly worthless) index page about
making crop circles. Did anyone bother to give the all-inclusive man
hours required, and the extent of overnight accomplishments that went
unnoticed by anyone outside of their private groups?

Seems all of their circles had only daylight hours to contend with (as
well as more than one days worth of effort on those larger ones) and
otherwise having loads of local and commercial witnesses.

~ BG
george
2010-11-03 20:31:45 UTC
Permalink
 http://www.circlemakers.org/
Wow!  what a perfectly crappy (nearly worthless) index page about
making crop circles.  Did anyone bother to give the all-inclusive man
hours required, and the extent of overnight accomplishments that went
unnoticed by anyone outside of their private groups?
Seems all of their circles had only daylight hours to contend with (as
well as more than one days worth of effort on those larger ones) and
otherwise having loads of local and commercial witnesses.
You don't have to be in Egypt to be deep in denial do you....
Produce evidence that one crop circle has been made by any-one but
bored humans
Brad Guth
2010-11-03 20:47:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by george
 http://www.circlemakers.org/
Wow!  what a perfectly crappy (nearly worthless) index page about
making crop circles.  Did anyone bother to give the all-inclusive man
hours required, and the extent of overnight accomplishments that went
unnoticed by anyone outside of their private groups?
Seems all of their circles had only daylight hours to contend with (as
well as more than one days worth of effort on those larger ones) and
otherwise having loads of local and commercial witnesses.
You don't have to be in Egypt to be deep in denial do you....
Produce evidence that one crop circle has been made by any-one but
bored humans
In other words, you got nothing objective proving that 100% of all
crop circles are purely terrestrial hoaxes and/or PR stunts.

However, I can personally duplicate ETs probing your private parts.
So, what exactly would that prove? (other than proving that I'm a
kinky pervert that likes to torment others)

If I were in charge of UFO/ET naysay/denial damage control, I'd be
making those crop circles too, or at the very least encouraging
others.

How about you explain those crop circles on Venus that look exactly
like a sophisticated tarmac/airstrip, complex reservoirs, a
considerable bridge and multiple structures of rather considerable
size, plus several other artificial looking items, all situated in a
community like infrastructure that seems entirely rational?

BradGuth Usenet, Blog and Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
george
2010-11-05 19:25:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brad Guth
How about you explain those crop circles on Venus that look exactly
like a sophisticated tarmac/airstrip, complex reservoirs, a
considerable bridge and multiple structures of rather considerable
size, plus several other artificial looking items, all situated in a
community like infrastructure that seems entirely rational?
I'll type this slowly
There are no crops on Venus.
So there are no crop circles.
There's a word for what you imagine to see in that very hot
featureless cloud covered planet
Brad Guth
2010-11-05 20:15:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by george
Post by Brad Guth
How about you explain those crop circles on Venus that look exactly
like a sophisticated tarmac/airstrip, complex reservoirs, a
considerable bridge and multiple structures of rather considerable
size, plus several other artificial looking items, all situated in a
community like infrastructure that seems entirely rational?
I'll type this slowly
There are no crops on Venus.
So there are no crop circles.
There's a word for what you imagine to see in that very hot
featureless cloud covered planet
I like that "featureless" statement, as I'll have to quote that along
with your name, so that everyone knows the dysfunctional source and
braille authority that you and others of your perpetual naysay kind
represent.

Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
bert
2010-11-02 23:08:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
...
Post by Brad Guth
It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created.  Good for you.
  ~ BG
Of course not.  But the big reason for supporting the ET hypothesis,
was the claim that humans could not have created the crop circles.
However, since it has been shown that humans did create many of the
circles and could have created any of them, there is no longer any
valid reason to support the ET hypothesis.  The claim is not that all
*must* have been human created, but rather that there is no good
reason to think that any *weren't* human created.
Dan (Woj...)
Just because one method or notion of disqualify human made crop
circles is poorly conceived or inaccurate, doesn't mean that all crop
circles are human hoax creations.
Are you saying that ETs wouldn't have any sense of humor?
Are you suggesting that any technology better than ours doesn't exist?
Point is, complex patterns of such terrific scale and complexity are
not humanly possible in the dead of one night, unless lots of forensic
evidence and the occasional witness is included.
The best known humanly created patterns of any similar scale included
lots of their forensics as proof-positive of their terrestrial based
creators.  So, yes, we humans can be very good at fooling others (such
as Muslims having WMD), but only by including butt-loads of denial and
obfuscation(evidence exclusion).
After more than a million innocent dead and having cost the word
trillions (setting humanity back by a good century of where we could
have been), do you still think Muslims had any of those WMD?
How much of whatever government officials are telling us is complete
and 100% believable?
  ~ BG
We cannot rule out the possibility that a crop circle could have been
made by an extraterrestrial visitor. However, because there is no
evidence for any ET involvement, there is no reason to believe that any
crop circle has been made by one. Is there any reason to believe that
highly advanced ETs would only do things that humans can easily
duplicate? Why would they not decorate the moon or Mars?
I am pleased to see you've abandoned your claim that silence and
darkness are required. As for your lack of forensics claim, you have
never yet provided anything that backs up the claim.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Best evidence is to have the farmers and best gardeners copy the
jellyfish and under the same conditions. To copy is easier. TreBert
Brad Guth
2010-11-03 00:52:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by bert
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
...
Post by Brad Guth
It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created.  Good for you.
  ~ BG
Of course not.  But the big reason for supporting the ET hypothesis,
was the claim that humans could not have created the crop circles.
However, since it has been shown that humans did create many of the
circles and could have created any of them, there is no longer any
valid reason to support the ET hypothesis.  The claim is not that all
*must* have been human created, but rather that there is no good
reason to think that any *weren't* human created.
Dan (Woj...)
Just because one method or notion of disqualify human made crop
circles is poorly conceived or inaccurate, doesn't mean that all crop
circles are human hoax creations.
Are you saying that ETs wouldn't have any sense of humor?
Are you suggesting that any technology better than ours doesn't exist?
Point is, complex patterns of such terrific scale and complexity are
not humanly possible in the dead of one night, unless lots of forensic
evidence and the occasional witness is included.
The best known humanly created patterns of any similar scale included
lots of their forensics as proof-positive of their terrestrial based
creators.  So, yes, we humans can be very good at fooling others (such
as Muslims having WMD), but only by including butt-loads of denial and
obfuscation(evidence exclusion).
After more than a million innocent dead and having cost the word
trillions (setting humanity back by a good century of where we could
have been), do you still think Muslims had any of those WMD?
How much of whatever government officials are telling us is complete
and 100% believable?
  ~ BG
We cannot rule out the possibility that a crop circle could have been
made by an extraterrestrial visitor. However, because there is no
evidence for any ET involvement, there is no reason to believe that any
crop circle has been made by one. Is there any reason to believe that
highly advanced ETs would only do things that humans can easily
duplicate? Why would they not decorate the moon or Mars?
I am pleased to see you've abandoned your claim that silence and
darkness are required. As for your lack of forensics claim, you have
never yet provided anything that backs up the claim.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Best evidence is to have the farmers and best gardeners copy the
jellyfish and under the same conditions. To copy is easier.   TreBert
In total darkness and making as little noise as possible from an hour
after sunset to an hour before sunrise (start to finish with not a
soul in sight or any trace of recent human activity for at least an
extra km in all directions after the job is done).

~ BG
dmaster
2010-11-04 19:04:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brad Guth
Post by bert
Post by Dakota
Post by Brad Guth
...
Post by Brad Guth
It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created.  Good for you.
  ~ BG
Of course not.  But the big reason for supporting the ET hypothesis,
was the claim that humans could not have created the crop circles.
However, since it has been shown that humans did create many of the
circles and could have created any of them, there is no longer any
valid reason to support the ET hypothesis.  The claim is not that all
*must* have been human created, but rather that there is no good
reason to think that any *weren't* human created.
Dan (Woj...)
Just because one method or notion of disqualify human made crop
circles is poorly conceived or inaccurate, doesn't mean that all crop
circles are human hoax creations.
Are you saying that ETs wouldn't have any sense of humor?
Are you suggesting that any technology better than ours doesn't exist?
Point is, complex patterns of such terrific scale and complexity are
not humanly possible in the dead of one night, unless lots of forensic
evidence and the occasional witness is included.
The best known humanly created patterns of any similar scale included
lots of their forensics as proof-positive of their terrestrial based
creators.  So, yes, we humans can be very good at fooling others (such
as Muslims having WMD), but only by including butt-loads of denial and
obfuscation(evidence exclusion).
After more than a million innocent dead and having cost the word
trillions (setting humanity back by a good century of where we could
have been), do you still think Muslims had any of those WMD?
How much of whatever government officials are telling us is complete
and 100% believable?
  ~ BG
We cannot rule out the possibility that a crop circle could have been
made by an extraterrestrial visitor. However, because there is no
evidence for any ET involvement, there is no reason to believe that any
crop circle has been made by one. Is there any reason to believe that
highly advanced ETs would only do things that humans can easily
duplicate? Why would they not decorate the moon or Mars?
I am pleased to see you've abandoned your claim that silence and
darkness are required. As for your lack of forensics claim, you have
never yet provided anything that backs up the claim.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Best evidence is to have the farmers and best gardeners copy the
jellyfish and under the same conditions. To copy is easier.   TreBert
In total darkness and making as little noise as possible from an hour
after sunset to an hour before sunrise (start to finish with not a
soul in sight or any trace of recent human activity for at least an
extra km in all directions after the job is done).
 ~ BG
I think you are making an unwarranted assumption. You assume the crop
circle had to have been made secretly. Consider that crop circles are
a small tourist industry in there own right in some parts of England.
It seems more likely that the farmers (and possibly many locals) are
in on the project. The circle makers get to have their fun. The
busses and pilots get their business. And I'd bet the farmer gets a
small cut that more than makes up for some lost crops.

To misquote: Never ascribe to ET what can be explained by a little
human capitalism.

Dan (Woj...)
Brad Guth
2010-11-04 19:41:59 UTC
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It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created.  Good for you.
  ~ BG
Of course not.  But the big reason for supporting the ET hypothesis,
was the claim that humans could not have created the crop circles.
However, since it has been shown that humans did create many of the
circles and could have created any of them, there is no longer any
valid reason to support the ET hypothesis.  The claim is not that all
*must* have been human created, but rather that there is no good
reason to think that any *weren't* human created.
Dan (Woj...)
Just because one method or notion of disqualify human made crop
circles is poorly conceived or inaccurate, doesn't mean that all crop
circles are human hoax creations.
Are you saying that ETs wouldn't have any sense of humor?
Are you suggesting that any technology better than ours doesn't exist?
Point is, complex patterns of such terrific scale and complexity are
not humanly possible in the dead of one night, unless lots of forensic
evidence and the occasional witness is included.
The best known humanly created patterns of any similar scale included
lots of their forensics as proof-positive of their terrestrial based
creators.  So, yes, we humans can be very good at fooling others (such
as Muslims having WMD), but only by including butt-loads of denial and
obfuscation(evidence exclusion).
After more than a million innocent dead and having cost the word
trillions (setting humanity back by a good century of where we could
have been), do you still think Muslims had any of those WMD?
How much of whatever government officials are telling us is complete
and 100% believable?
  ~ BG
We cannot rule out the possibility that a crop circle could have been
made by an extraterrestrial visitor. However, because there is no
evidence for any ET involvement, there is no reason to believe that any
crop circle has been made by one. Is there any reason to believe that
highly advanced ETs would only do things that humans can easily
duplicate? Why would they not decorate the moon or Mars?
I am pleased to see you've abandoned your claim that silence and
darkness are required. As for your lack of forensics claim, you have
never yet provided anything that backs up the claim.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Best evidence is to have the farmers and best gardeners copy the
jellyfish and under the same conditions. To copy is easier.   TreBert
In total darkness and making as little noise as possible from an hour
after sunset to an hour before sunrise (start to finish with not a
soul in sight or any trace of recent human activity for at least an
extra km in all directions after the job is done).
 ~ BG
I think you are making an unwarranted assumption.  You assume the crop
circle had to have been made secretly.  Consider that crop circles are
a small tourist industry in there own right in some parts of England.
It seems more likely that the farmers (and possibly many locals) are
in on the project.  The circle makers get to have their fun.  The
busses and pilots get their business.  And I'd bet the farmer gets a
small cut that more than makes up for some lost crops.
To misquote:  Never ascribe to ET what can be explained by a little
human capitalism.
Dan (Woj...)
You're saying that interplanetary ETs, and especially interstellar
traveling ETs are not smart enough nor otherwise clever enough to
accomplish extremely large and complex crop circles in one nighttime?

Are you seriously suggesting that ETs do not exist? (that we're it?)

Are you saying that ETs or Venusian locals on Venus are equally
nonexistent? (if so, can you explain what's in the "Guth Venus" image
besides hot rock?)

Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
dmaster
2010-11-05 18:01:34 UTC
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Post by Brad Guth
I think you are making an unwarranted assumption.  You assume the crop
circle had to have been made secretly.  Consider that crop circles are
a small tourist industry in there own right in some parts of England.
It seems more likely that the farmers (and possibly many locals) are
in on the project.  The circle makers get to have their fun.  The
busses and pilots get their business.  And I'd bet the farmer gets a
small cut that more than makes up for some lost crops.
To misquote:  Never ascribe to ET what can be explained by a little
human capitalism.
Dan (Woj...)
You're saying that interplanetary ETs, and especially interstellar
traveling ETs are not smart enough nor otherwise clever enough to
accomplish extremely large and complex crop circles in one nighttime?
I'm not sure how you could possibly get that from what I wrote. To be
clear: Yes, I do think that interplanetary ETs are likely smart
enough to accomplish extremely large and complex crop circles in one
nighttime. By the same token, I suspect they would be much too smart
to bother.
Post by Brad Guth
Are you seriously suggesting that ETs do not exist? (that we're it?)
1. I have no idea if ETs exist. I have seen no credible evidence of
any ETs.
2. The universe is so unimaginably large, that to suppose we are the
only intelligent life, seems completely unlikely.
3. The universe is so unimaginably large, that to suppose we have been
visited by ETs, seems completely unlikely.
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that ETs or Venusian locals on Venus are equally
nonexistent? (if so, can you explain what's in the "Guth Venus" image
besides hot rock?)
Based on what I have seen, I think "ETs or Venusian locals on Venus"
are nonexistent.
More hot rock.

...

Dan (Woj...)
Brad Guth
2010-11-05 20:10:42 UTC
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I think you are making an unwarranted assumption.  You assume the crop
circle had to have been made secretly.  Consider that crop circles are
a small tourist industry in there own right in some parts of England.
It seems more likely that the farmers (and possibly many locals) are
in on the project.  The circle makers get to have their fun.  The
busses and pilots get their business.  And I'd bet the farmer gets a
small cut that more than makes up for some lost crops.
To misquote:  Never ascribe to ET what can be explained by a little
human capitalism.
Dan (Woj...)
You're saying that interplanetary ETs, and especially interstellar
traveling ETs are not smart enough nor otherwise clever enough to
accomplish extremely large and complex crop circles in one nighttime?
I'm not sure how you could possibly get that from what I wrote.  To be
clear:  Yes, I do think that interplanetary ETs are likely smart
enough to accomplish extremely large and complex crop circles in one
nighttime.  By the same token, I suspect they would be much too smart
to bother.
Their being smart, dumb or dysfunctional really has nothing to do with
just their toying with us. If we came across a voodoo worshiping
world of totally dysfunctional heathens, do you really think that we
wouldn't toy with them?
Post by Brad Guth
Are you seriously suggesting that ETs do not exist? (that we're it?)
1. I have no idea if ETs exist.  I have seen no credible evidence of
any ETs.
2. The universe is so unimaginably large, that to suppose we are the
only intelligent life, seems completely unlikely.
3. The universe is so unimaginably large, that to suppose we have been
visited by ETs, seems completely unlikely.
You are just as unlikely to know an ET or anything ET worthy when you
see one. So, what exactly qualifies as ET worthy?
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that ETs or Venusian locals on Venus are equally
nonexistent? (if so, can you explain what's in the "Guth Venus" image
besides hot rock?)
Based on what I have seen, I think "ETs or Venusian locals on Venus"
are nonexistent.
More hot rock.
...
Dan (Woj...)
Then you claim as being selectively blind as well as mainstream
snookered and dumbfounded past the point of no return. That's a good
one.

Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
bert
2010-11-04 19:50:20 UTC
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It seems to me, that you are saying if one complex crop circle can be
created by humans, then all must human created.  Good for you.
  ~ BG
Of course not.  But the big reason for supporting the ET hypothesis,
was the claim that humans could not have created the crop circles.
However, since it has been shown that humans did create many of the
circles and could have created any of them, there is no longer any
valid reason to support the ET hypothesis.  The claim is not that all
*must* have been human created, but rather that there is no good
reason to think that any *weren't* human created.
Dan (Woj...)
Just because one method or notion of disqualify human made crop
circles is poorly conceived or inaccurate, doesn't mean that all crop
circles are human hoax creations.
Are you saying that ETs wouldn't have any sense of humor?
Are you suggesting that any technology better than ours doesn't exist?
Point is, complex patterns of such terrific scale and complexity are
not humanly possible in the dead of one night, unless lots of forensic
evidence and the occasional witness is included.
The best known humanly created patterns of any similar scale included
lots of their forensics as proof-positive of their terrestrial based
creators.  So, yes, we humans can be very good at fooling others (such
as Muslims having WMD), but only by including butt-loads of denial and
obfuscation(evidence exclusion).
After more than a million innocent dead and having cost the word
trillions (setting humanity back by a good century of where we could
have been), do you still think Muslims had any of those WMD?
How much of whatever government officials are telling us is complete
and 100% believable?
  ~ BG
We cannot rule out the possibility that a crop circle could have been
made by an extraterrestrial visitor. However, because there is no
evidence for any ET involvement, there is no reason to believe that any
crop circle has been made by one. Is there any reason to believe that
highly advanced ETs would only do things that humans can easily
duplicate? Why would they not decorate the moon or Mars?
I am pleased to see you've abandoned your claim that silence and
darkness are required. As for your lack of forensics claim, you have
never yet provided anything that backs up the claim.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Best evidence is to have the farmers and best gardeners copy the
jellyfish and under the same conditions. To copy is easier.   TreBert
In total darkness and making as little noise as possible from an hour
after sunset to an hour before sunrise (start to finish with not a
soul in sight or any trace of recent human activity for at least an
extra km in all directions after the job is done).
 ~ BG
I think you are making an unwarranted assumption.  You assume the crop
circle had to have been made secretly.  Consider that crop circles are
a small tourist industry in there own right in some parts of England.
It seems more likely that the farmers (and possibly many locals) are
in on the project.  The circle makers get to have their fun.  The
busses and pilots get their business.  And I'd bet the farmer gets a
small cut that more than makes up for some lost crops.
To misquote:  Never ascribe to ET what can be explained by a little
human capitalism.
Dan (Woj...)- Hide quoted text -
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Dan Crop circles can make a buck. Hmmm Not bad thinking. I read in
a frozen lake in Min. had a very large circle cut out in its middle.
OK that can be done with rope and chainsaw. The licker is this Where
did that large cut out circle of ice go? Its this kind of stuff that
makes these circles so interesting. Its fun stuff TreBert .
bert
2010-11-01 13:46:04 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Bet you and all of your trailer park squatters can't do it, not even
close no matters how drunk you rednecks are.
    ~ BG
Right you are BG the circles I viewed could not be done with boards on
your feet. Let them try to do it. The farmers claim it was done at
night. Lets see them do it in the dark. Some of the paterns I would
have trouble putting on paper.  TreBert
Zero noise and absolutely no forensics indicating humans had made some
of those.
It's not that well equipped humans couldn't do it, although perfectly
silent and accomplished within one night (without lights of any kind)
is highly unlikely.
    ~ BG
Why would you imagine that there must be perfect silence? Why would you
suppose that no lights would be used? Are people monitoring all the
farmland on earth each night? With sufficient planning, a group of
resourceful people can accomplish quite a lot in a short time.
Which scenario do you think is the more likely?
1. That highly intelligent aliens traveled through space to our planet
to create images in our cropland in a way that humans can easily duplicate.
2. That a few drunken friends stomped a circle onto a field one night
and were amazed that many people were so impressed that they came up
with an extra-terrestrial explanation. Other clever people wanting to
get in on the gag drew more - and more elaborate - circles and took
advantage of technology to assist them.
How to Make a Crop Circle
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
Go right ahead and do one of those big and complex one, just to show
us how it's done without noise, lighting or any forensics of humans
whatsoever.
As I said, technically it's doable, though obviously not by the likes
of yourself or any of your friends that haven't mastered butt
wiping-101.
   ~ BG
Did you really think through your claim that there is no 'forensics of
humans whatsoever' in a farmer's field? Do the aliens remove all traces
of human occupancy during their circle making visits?
On what do you base your claim that it's done without noise or lighting.
If you can't come up with the bases for your claims, feel free to
confirm your failure by resorting to childish 'butt-wiping' comments again.
Did you really fail to read and comprehend?
What if just 1% of those crop circles were ET/UFO produced?  Would
that still be insufficient proof of their existence?
Are you actually suggesting that all 100% of those crop patterns have
to be ET created, or else nothing counts?
  ~ BG
Twice I've asked you to explain why there would be no sounds or light.
Twice you've evaded the question. The first time by immature name
calling. This time by trying to shift the burden of proof to me when it
is you who are making the preposterous claims.
Congratulations. You've got me to respond three times. You get a troll
award. Bye now.- Hide quoted text -
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Jeff our computer whiz who likes to show us pictures might post a very
complex crop circle structure,and we could figure out how it could be
done. Its been about 5 years since I saw them on NOVA TreBert
unknown
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Here are some <A hRef="http://images.google.com/images?q=crop+circle">crop circles</A> for you, treBert.
“ Its been about 5 years since I saw them on NOVA ”, I hear.

<img Src="Loading Image..."
Alt="A jellyfish “crop circle”">
bert
2010-11-01 16:02:30 UTC
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Here are somecrop circlesfor you, treBert. “ Its been about 5 years since I saw them on NOVA ”, I hear.
WOW Thank you Jeff. To think that can be done when we put boards on
our feet is BS It is the structure of a horse crab one of the oldest
complex animals in our oceans That I have seen when as a kid I lived
along the shore of Revere beach. Where was this picture taken?
Thanks again TreBert
unknown
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treBert, The Daily Telegraph ( London ) says it was:
“ A 600-foot jellyfish crop circle created in a field of barley
in Kingstone Coombes, Oxfordshire ”.
george
2010-11-01 20:18:13 UTC
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treBert, The Daily Telegraph ( London ) says it was: “ A 600-foot jellyfish crop circle created in a field of barley in Kingstone Coombes, Oxfordshire ”.
The invasion of the jellyfish is off.
Missed the river and landed in the barley..

Friends, does your ale taste different lately?
:-)
bert
2010-11-01 21:28:22 UTC
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treBert, The Daily Telegraph ( London ) says it was: “ A 600-foot jellyfish crop circle created in a field of barley in Kingstone Coombes, Oxfordshire ”.
Jeff Jellyfish it is. WOW who would ever think of working so hard and
with great percision to make a picture of a jellyfish Its diabolical
'600 foot' It makes one think its beyond what humans can do under the
conditions it was done. TreBert
Brad Guth
2010-11-01 22:15:25 UTC
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treBert, The Daily Telegraph ( London ) says it was: “ A 600-foot jellyfish crop circle created in a field of barley in Kingstone Coombes, Oxfordshire ”.
Jeff  Jellyfish it is. WOW who would ever think of working so hard and
with great percision to make a picture of a jellyfish Its diabolical
'600 foot'  It makes one think its beyond what humans can do under the
conditions it was done.   TreBert
Exactly, and there's others as large or larger and way more complex.
ETs are toying with us, as well as some local freaks that sneak out at
night and day in order to create similar but smaller and usually far
less complex patterns that are easily identified as human made. I bet
our DARPA and perhaps those of our Skull and Bones could do nearly as
well as ETs.

If such ETs are crop circle worthy (as I believe they are), then why
not Venus worthy?

Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj

~ BG
bert
2010-11-02 05:46:14 UTC
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treBert, The Daily Telegraph ( London ) says it was: “ A 600-foot jellyfish crop circle created in a field of barley in Kingstone Coombes, Oxfordshire ”.
Jeff If its a say trick its a great trick. Maybe aliens did it to have
fun with us,and passed us by being we were to stupid,and low form of
life to bother with. Seeing how we were killing each other in our
crazy wars is what they saw looking down TreBert
Brad Guth
2010-11-02 13:20:37 UTC
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treBert, The Daily Telegraph ( London ) says it was: “ A 600-foot jellyfish crop circle created in a field of barley in Kingstone Coombes, Oxfordshire ”.
Jeff If its a say trick its a great trick. Maybe aliens did it to have
fun with us,and passed us by being we were to stupid,and low form of
life to bother with.   Seeing how we were killing each other in our
crazy wars is what they saw looking down   TreBert
To find seriously crazy intelligence in our itsy bitsy part of this
universe, they only need to remote tap into our public Usenet/
newsgroup and read the likes of rabbi Saul Levy, Art Deco, Hagar, HVAC
or good old Tholen, because that's seriously crazy shit. Hitler would
have been less crazy.

If you believe in ETs, UFOs or them crop circles has per having
anything whatsoever to do with off-world intelligence, then by all
means their doing whatever with the planet Venus is nothing but an ET
win-win.

Unless you are actually that dysfunctional and blind as well as
snookered and dumbfounded past the point of no return, incapable of
figuring anything out for yourself, then exactly what sort of
snookered and dumbfounded ETs would find the planet Venus as
unacceptable and of no mineral or raw element value?

Accomplishing Venus seems entirely logical if you’ve mastered space
travel (especially interstellar), whereas by all means the mineral
wealth of Venus would be kind of extremely ideal, especially since
Venus offers unlimited local energy that’s renewable and nonpolluting
to boot, as well as nearly undetectable to us, and not to forget that
you’ve got <67 kg/m3 buoyancy at 90% gravity to work with. In other
words, where’s the down side?

Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
dmaster
2010-11-02 17:56:36 UTC
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Here are somecrop circlesfor you, treBert. “ Its been about 5 years since I saw them on NOVA ”, I hear.
If you open your eyes and look at the jellyfish design, you'll see
that most of it is made from circles and arcs (parts of circles).
Circles are the easiest geometric shape to construct accurately with
only the most primitive equipment. Pretty much a stake and a rope are
all you need to make a perfect circle. This design screams "human
made".

Dan (Woj...)
Brad Guth
2010-11-01 16:25:19 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Bet you and all of your trailer park squatters can't do it, not even
close no matters how drunk you rednecks are.
    ~ BG
Right you are BG the circles I viewed could not be done with boards on
your feet. Let them try to do it. The farmers claim it was done at
night. Lets see them do it in the dark. Some of the paterns I would
have trouble putting on paper.  TreBert
Zero noise and absolutely no forensics indicating humans had made some
of those.
It's not that well equipped humans couldn't do it, although perfectly
silent and accomplished within one night (without lights of any kind)
is highly unlikely.
    ~ BG
Why would you imagine that there must be perfect silence? Why would you
suppose that no lights would be used? Are people monitoring all the
farmland on earth each night? With sufficient planning, a group of
resourceful people can accomplish quite a lot in a short time.
Which scenario do you think is the more likely?
1. That highly intelligent aliens traveled through space to our planet
to create images in our cropland in a way that humans can easily duplicate.
2. That a few drunken friends stomped a circle onto a field one night
and were amazed that many people were so impressed that they came up
with an extra-terrestrial explanation. Other clever people wanting to
get in on the gag drew more - and more elaborate - circles and took
advantage of technology to assist them.
How to Make a Crop Circle
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
Go right ahead and do one of those big and complex one, just to show
us how it's done without noise, lighting or any forensics of humans
whatsoever.
As I said, technically it's doable, though obviously not by the likes
of yourself or any of your friends that haven't mastered butt
wiping-101.
   ~ BG
Did you really think through your claim that there is no 'forensics of
humans whatsoever' in a farmer's field? Do the aliens remove all traces
of human occupancy during their circle making visits?
On what do you base your claim that it's done without noise or lighting.
If you can't come up with the bases for your claims, feel free to
confirm your failure by resorting to childish 'butt-wiping' comments again.
Did you really fail to read and comprehend?
What if just 1% of those crop circles were ET/UFO produced?  Would
that still be insufficient proof of their existence?
Are you actually suggesting that all 100% of those crop patterns have
to be ET created, or else nothing counts?
  ~ BG
Twice I've asked you to explain why there would be no sounds or light.
Twice you've evaded the question. The first time by immature name
calling. This time by trying to shift the burden of proof to me when it
is you who are making the preposterous claims.
Congratulations. You've got me to respond three times. You get a troll
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Jeff our computer whiz who likes to show us pictures might post a very
complex crop circle structure,and we could figure out how it could be
done. Its been about 5 years since I saw them on NOVA   TreBert
You still haven't quite figured out how to do your own search for
anything?

It's really complicated, because you have to type in "crop circles"
and then you have to select "Images" from the Google search page menu,
or select from any one of 924,000 web pages.

Asking Jeff to further trash the Usenet/newsgroups with directly
viewable images is exactly what's going to get this wild thing shut
down, and it'll be all your fault. In fact, I'm beginning to think
Florida is all your fault.

~ BG
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Bet you and all of your trailer park squatters can't do it, not even
close no matters how drunk you rednecks are.
    ~ BG
Right you are BG the circles I viewed could not be done with boards on
your feet. Let them try to do it. The farmers claim it was done at
night. Lets see them do it in the dark. Some of the paterns I would
have trouble putting on paper.  TreBert
Zero noise and absolutely no forensics indicating humans had made some
of those.
It's not that well equipped humans couldn't do it, although perfectly
silent and accomplished within one night (without lights of any kind)
is highly unlikely.
    ~ BG
Why would you imagine that there must be perfect silence? Why would you
suppose that no lights would be used? Are people monitoring all the
farmland on earth each night? With sufficient planning, a group of
resourceful people can accomplish quite a lot in a short time.
Which scenario do you think is the more likely?
1. That highly intelligent aliens traveled through space to our planet
to create images in our cropland in a way that humans can easily duplicate.
2. That a few drunken friends stomped a circle onto a field one night
and were amazed that many people were so impressed that they came up
with an extra-terrestrial explanation. Other clever people wanting to
get in on the gag drew more - and more elaborate - circles and took
advantage of technology to assist them.
How to Make a Crop Circle
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
Go right ahead and do one of those big and complex one, just to show
us how it's done without noise, lighting or any forensics of humans
whatsoever.
As I said, technically it's doable, though obviously not by the likes
of yourself or any of your friends that haven't mastered butt
wiping-101.
   ~ BG
Did you really think through your claim that there is no 'forensics of
humans whatsoever' in a farmer's field? Do the aliens remove all traces
of human occupancy during their circle making visits?
On what do you base your claim that it's done without noise or lighting.
If you can't come up with the bases for your claims, feel free to
confirm your failure by resorting to childish 'butt-wiping' comments again.
Did you really fail to read and comprehend?
What if just 1% of those crop circles were ET/UFO produced?  Would
that still be insufficient proof of their existence?
Are you actually suggesting that all 100% of those crop patterns have
to be ET created, or else nothing counts?
  ~ BG
Twice I've asked you to explain why there would be no sounds or light.
Twice you've evaded the question. The first time by immature name
calling. This time by trying to shift the burden of proof to me when it
is you who are making the preposterous claims.
Congratulations. You've got me to respond three times. You get a troll
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Jeff our computer whiz who likes to show us pictures might post a very
complex crop circle structure,and we could figure out how it could be
done. Its been about 5 years since I saw them on NOVA   TreBert
You still haven't quite figured out how to do your own search for
anything?
It's really complicated, because you have to type in "crop circles"
and then you have to select "Images" from the Google search page menu,
or select from any one of 924,000 web pages.
Asking Jeff to further trash the Usenet/newsgroups with directly
viewable images is exactly what's going to get this wild thing shut
down, and it'll be all your fault.  In fact, I'm beginning to think
Florida is all your fault.
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BG You being a racist pig can jump TreBert
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2010-11-01 17:09:04 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Crap Circles ... two Brit sots with footboards and some rope ...
End of scientific investigation.
Bet you and all of your trailer park squatters can't do it, not even
close no matters how drunk you rednecks are.
    ~ BG
Right you are BG the circles I viewed could not be done with boards on
your feet. Let them try to do it. The farmers claim it was done at
night. Lets see them do it in the dark. Some of the paterns I would
have trouble putting on paper.  TreBert
Zero noise and absolutely no forensics indicating humans had made some
of those.
It's not that well equipped humans couldn't do it, although perfectly
silent and accomplished within one night (without lights of any kind)
is highly unlikely.
    ~ BG
Why would you imagine that there must be perfect silence? Why would you
suppose that no lights would be used? Are people monitoring all the
farmland on earth each night? With sufficient planning, a group of
resourceful people can accomplish quite a lot in a short time.
Which scenario do you think is the more likely?
1. That highly intelligent aliens traveled through space to our planet
to create images in our cropland in a way that humans can easily duplicate.
2. That a few drunken friends stomped a circle onto a field one night
and were amazed that many people were so impressed that they came up
with an extra-terrestrial explanation. Other clever people wanting to
get in on the gag drew more - and more elaborate - circles and took
advantage of technology to assist them.
How to Make a Crop Circle
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle
Go right ahead and do one of those big and complex one, just to show
us how it's done without noise, lighting or any forensics of humans
whatsoever.
As I said, technically it's doable, though obviously not by the likes
of yourself or any of your friends that haven't mastered butt
wiping-101.
   ~ BG
Did you really think through your claim that there is no 'forensics of
humans whatsoever' in a farmer's field? Do the aliens remove all traces
of human occupancy during their circle making visits?
On what do you base your claim that it's done without noise or lighting.
If you can't come up with the bases for your claims, feel free to
confirm your failure by resorting to childish 'butt-wiping' comments again.
Did you really fail to read and comprehend?
What if just 1% of those crop circles were ET/UFO produced?  Would
that still be insufficient proof of their existence?
Are you actually suggesting that all 100% of those crop patterns have
to be ET created, or else nothing counts?
  ~ BG
Twice I've asked you to explain why there would be no sounds or light.
Twice you've evaded the question. The first time by immature name
calling. This time by trying to shift the burden of proof to me when it
is you who are making the preposterous claims.
Congratulations. You've got me to respond three times. You get a troll
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Jeff our computer whiz who likes to show us pictures might post a very
complex crop circle structure,and we could figure out how it could be
done. Its been about 5 years since I saw them on NOVA   TreBert
You still haven't quite figured out how to do your own search for
anything?
It's really complicated, because you have to type in "crop circles"
and then you have to select "Images" from the Google search page menu,
or select from any one of 924,000 web pages.
Asking Jeff to further trash the Usenet/newsgroups with directly
viewable images is exactly what's going to get this wild thing shut
down, and it'll be all your fault.  In fact, I'm beginning to think
Florida is all your fault.
 ~ BG- Hide quoted text -
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BG  You being a racist pig can jump  TreBert
Just because I don't happen to like ALL the bad guys and naughty girls
(that so happen to be mostly Semitic and Mafia ZNR/GOPers) like you
do, isn't hardly racist unless you're from another planet.

Are you from another planet?

When you claim to be against those pesky Mafia GOPers, what exactly do
you really mean?

Are you suggesting that Florida has been run by a GOP Mafia of rogue
Atheists? (if so, where the hell did all these Atheists come from, and
manage to survive in such a church and especially synagogue dominated
state as Florida?)

So, when this public Usenet/newsgroup gets terminated because of what
the likes of your dysfunctional friend Jeff that takes food and
services from the truly needy, and makes everything more spendy for
everyone else while posting such unmoderated images, that can include
X-rated smut and worse being child porn, that's OK by you?

You are aware that Jeff doesn't even take care of his kids, much less
his X wife that probably had no viable option but to keep as far away
from Jeff as possible, because some dysfunctional Mormons don't seem
to have any problems or remorse with pulverizing or doing worse stuff
to their female partners, and apparently you're OK with that.

~ BG
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2010-10-31 09:44:26 UTC
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Right you are BG the circles I viewed could not be done with boards on
your feet. Let them try to do it. The farmers claim it was done at
night. Lets see them do it in the dark. Some of the paterns I would
have trouble putting on paper. TreBert
Since you are an illiterate blowhard, I have no
trouble believing that.
--
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so" - Mark Twain
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2010-10-29 02:07:56 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Satellites with various cameras and spectrums would know more details.
I'll have three Satellites please bar tender !
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2010-10-30 21:15:35 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Satellites with various cameras and spectrums would know more details.
I'll have three Satellites please bar tender !
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NEW !!! SIR GILLIGAN HORRY UFO POSTCARD !!!
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Satellites with various cameras and spectrums would know more details.
I'll have three Satellites please bar tender !
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NEW !!! SIR GILLIGAN HORRY UFO POSTCARD !!!
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/SirGilliganHorry/Extraterrestri...
"Jims Space Agency"
http://www.YouTube.com/JimsSpaceAgency
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You hit the wrong button, so nothing you had to say got posted.

~ BG
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2010-11-02 13:41:22 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Satellites with various cameras and spectrums would know more details.
I'll have three Satellites please bar tender !
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NEW !!! SIR GILLIGAN HORRY UFO POSTCARD !!!
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/SirGilliganHorry/Extraterrestri...
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If you believe in ETs, UFOs or favor that at least some them crop
circles as per having anything whatsoever to do with off-world
intelligence, then by all means their doing whatever with the planet
Venus is nothing but an ET win-win.

Unless you are actually that dysfunctional and blind as well as
snookered and dumbfounded past the point of no return, incapable of
figuring anything out for yourself, then exactly what sort of
snookered and dumbfounded ETs would find the planet Venus as
unacceptable and of no mineral or raw element value?

Accomplishing Venus seems entirely rational and logical if you’ve
mastered space travel (especially interstellar), whereas by all means
the mineral wealth of Venus would be kind of extremely ideal,
especially since Venus offers unlimited local energy that’s renewable
and nonpolluting to boot, as well as nearly undetectable to us, and
not to forget that you’ve got <67 kg/m3 buoyancy at 90% gravity to
work with. In other words, where’s the down side?

Supposedly Nobuko Kan has been to Venus, and I’m certain that
sufficient technology would have made that doable and obviously
survivable.

For one thing that’s clearly wrong with our public Usenet/
newsgroup(s), it seems they (bad guys) keep taking away our gold
stars, such as whenever a 5 gold star rating is given to a topic, they
keep removing them stars over and over. What's up with that?

Contributor “Tholen” is clearly one of those bad guys that’s a Usenet
insider that gets to do anything they want, but it's mostly their
relentless status-quo army of Semites and their personal crowd of
brown-nosed clowns as devout minions (mostly public funded) doing much
of their damage-control and dirty work.

Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
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2010-11-02 19:16:42 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Satellites with various cameras and spectrums would know more details.
I'll have three Satellites please bar tender !
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NEW !!! SIR GILLIGAN HORRY UFO POSTCARD !!!
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/SirGilliganHorry/Extraterrestri...
"Jims Space Agency"
http://www.YouTube.com/JimsSpaceAgency
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Them gold stars for rating topics went away again, and perhaps this
time for good. I’ve reloaded the newsgroup page several times, lo and
behold, all them gold stars have been taken away, and not just voted
down to one gold star. Even when I go into each topic there are
missing stars that I know had given out. Not only are they gone but
others entirely missing, which is quite odd because, normally you and
I can only change the 5 star or whatever star rating of a given topic
down to one star, but we're not allowed to entirely remove stars or
much less forbid them from entirely sticking no matters how many times
others try to give topics or subsequent replies any of those stars.
So it's obviously an inside job.

Either our Google Groups version of Usenet/newsgroups has been broken
(again), or it's simply badly infected with the usual gauntlet of
pesky Semites and their hoards of brown-nosed clowns (usually public
funded) doing their typical damage control, because once again it
seems them gold stars are not always sticking like they should, if at
all.

For one thing that’s clearly wrong with our public Usenet/
newsgroup(s), it seems they (bad guys) keep taking away our gold
stars, such as whenever a 5 gold star rating is given to a topic, they
(insider bad guys) keep removing them stars over and over, as well as
blocking any future star rating. What's up with that?

Contributor “Tholen” is clearly one of those Usenet insider bad guys,
as a certified rusemaster that gets to do pretty much anything they
want, but otherwise it's mostly their relentless status-quo army of
devout Semites and their personal crowd of brown-nosed clowns as their
devout minions (mostly public funded), doing much of their damage-
control and dirty work.

Go right ahead and try giving our topics as many gold stars as
possible, and see if they actually stick. It seems the insiders of
Google Groups (most likely DARPA, MI6 and those cloak and dagger
members of our Skull and Bones) doesn’t appreciate our creative sense
of humor when it comes down to rating our topics or any others with
those gold stars. Perhaps they’ll have to come up with a new and
improved rating system, whereas only certain peer moderated wizards
get gold star rating privileges.

If any of you folks firmly believe in ETs, UFOs or favor that at least
some them crop circles as per having anything whatsoever to do with
off-world intelligence, then by all means their doing whatever they
like with utilizing the planet Venus is nothing but an ET win-win-win
(because they also get to torment us).

About interpreting what the planet Venus has to offer:
Unless you are actually that mainstream dysfunctional and blind as
well as snookered and dumbfounded yourself past the point of no
return, thereby incapable of figuring anything out for yourself, then
exactly what sort of snookered and dumbfounded ETs would find the
planet Venus as unacceptable and of no mineral or raw element value?

ETs accomplishing Venus seems entirely rational and even perfectly
logical if you’ve mastered space travel (especially interstellar),
whereas by all means the mineral and raw element wealth of Venus would
be kind of extremely ideal, especially since Venus offers unlimited
local energy that’s renewable and nonpolluting to boot, as well as
nearly undetectable to us, and not to forget that you’ve also got <67
kg/m3 buoyancy at 90% gravity to work with. In other words, where’s
the down side?

Supposedly Japan’s first lady Nobuko Kan has already been to Venus,
and I’m absolutely certain that sufficient ET technology would have
made that adventure as doable and obviously survivable. Without
evidence objectively proving she hasn’t been to Venus, I’d have to go
along with her version.

Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
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2010-11-06 20:45:50 UTC
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Unsolved Mysteries - The UFO Files - Volume 4.avi
Good documentary about crap circles ...
I mean ... crop circles, in that video.
Satellites with various cameras and spectrums would know more details.
I'll have three Satellites please bar tender !
___
___
___
NEW !!! SIR GILLIGAN HORRY UFO POSTCARD !!!
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/SirGilliganHorry/Extraterrestri...
"Jims Space Agency"
http://www.YouTube.com/JimsSpaceAgency
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Venus crop circles look exactly like a seriously massive and complex
tarmac/airstrip that's situated in some of the worse mountainous
terrain on Venus, plus there's multiple other Venus crop circles that
look exactly like a freaking big bridge, rock quarry sites, multiple
structures and a really nifty set of reservoirs among other
intelligent looking considerations offering a perfectly rational
community/outpost like setting. There’s even an impressive fluid-arch
crop circle and what otherwise seems like a very large section of a
protruding airship crop circle, along with a battery of nearby storage
tanks as rather nicely aligned on either side of a substantial hill or
mountain peak that’s directly next to this nose section of a rigid
airship that’s half protruding from its underground shelter.

Of course Venus crops are mostly those of hot rocks, so you can
imagine how much harder it is for Venusians to create those terrific
patterns, especially nasty when it’s nearly hot as hell most of the
time (literally speaking). None the less, those highly unusual
patterns are in fact there to behold, and as having been created by
some kind of intelligence (even if they are always hot and cranky).

"Guth Venus" is perhaps the ultimate cache of off-world crop circle
patterns when considering the overall scale that's none too shabby.

The original GIF image file (not enlargement processed):
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Have fun with PhotoShop or whatever enlarging makes you happy, and
looking for Waldo while you're at it. If we could only interpret
anything as a Venusian WMD, as then we could justify spending any
amount for invading it and tearing it to shreds, even if it becomes
well understood that Venusian Muslims do not actually have any WMD
other than oil, poppies and rare elements.

Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj

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